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Originally posted by swastika
massive military spending while public r dying in famine]
Is it just pure coincidence that Swastika posted a thread about the T-90 when India will be buying around 300 of them? These threads about India remind me of member from Iran.
India to purchase latest T-90s from Russia ASSOCIATED PRESS OF PAKISTAN NEWS SUMMARY (05-11-1999) India will soon purchase around 300 T-90 tanks from Russia for around Rs 10.50 crores each, for deployment in offensive formations in Rajasthan and Punjab by next year. T-90 tank will swiftly" kill" Arjun, the main battle tank developed locally after 25 years.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Buddy u have no idea what ur talking about The new M1A2 Abrams Super Tank is equiped to handle the latest anti tank missiles, that is why its the best operational tank out there. Learn your topic before u open your mouth.
Originally posted by MACROSVIII
although heavier and slower than the M1 Abrahms, it makes up for it w/ its relatively low cost and high survivability w/ a low silheoutte turrent.
Originally posted by swastika
I heard that ISRAEL was developing a very powerful tank[probably the best] , any info about this?
Originally posted by Kozzy
The T-90's (and other tanks) ability to launch missiles is overrated and not much of an advantage.
The AT-11B has a 4km range. 90% of battles take place at 3km or less, well within the Abrams firing range. 51% of the battlefields in Europe had a visibility of 800m or less. This is where the T-90 is decent, where it's penetrator actually works.
It can barely penetrate 800mm of armor. All varients of the Abrams have 1200mm+ of armor vs. HEAT on their turret front. The glacis and lower hull would be resistant to this attack, possibly disabling the tank but not destroying it.
The flight time of the AT-11B is 12 seconds to maximum range. In this time a Abrams crew can see the missile launch (with thermal, day sights, or the naked eye) and fire an aimed shot (2 if really good) at the firing T-90. The tank can also go into defilade, perform evasive maneauvers, and pop off smoke grenades. This makes the chance of the AT-11 hitting the target not good. Playing Steel Beasts, I have spotted tanks by their missile firing and killed them well before the missile hits me, of course this is just a simulation and not real life.
The T-90 has to stay exposed and track the target during this flight time. This is a big "HI I'm OVER HERE PLEASE KILL ME AND CALL DOWN ARTILLERY ON ME!!"
The T-90 cannot fire on the move with the AT-11B, this makes it good only as a defensive weapon. But it has to stay exposed to fire it.
All the while an M1A1 can fire an M289A3 with 960mm of penetration at 2km, this would blow through a T-90's armor kill the tank completely.
This is not to say, of course a well trained and well positioned company of T-90s cannot attrit an force of Abrams. The missile is just not as big an advantage as everyone says.
Armor for M1A2SEP
Turret Front: 960mm KE 1400mm HEAT
Glacis: 500mm KE 800mm HEAT
T-90
Turret front: 800mm KE, 1200mm HEAT (with ERA)
Glacis: 600mm KE 950 HEAT (with ERA)
[edit on 28-11-2004 by Kozzy]
[edit on 28-11-2004 by Kozzy]
Originally posted by MACROSVIII
against current and previous MBT's they are equal or better, including Leapords and Challengers....
Originally posted by Kenshin
Does anyone have anyidea how thick the M1A2's armor is, I can't find any info anywhere.