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reply to post by govmule
Right! If I don't agree with you, I must not know what I'm talking about. I do appreciate YOU not bothering to try to 'educate' me though. I have a pretty good idea, now anyway, that you're not really reliable anyway.
This rancher is breaking the law - has been for 2 decades. It's time to pay up, or get off the land - period. All of this other conspiracy crap is just the figment of the right-wing money boys trying to get their base fired up over imagined governemnt wrong-doing. As I said before, I belive the real conspiracy involves the those behind the scenes stoking the fire for these NV ranchers, and the easily manipulated, like YOU.
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the United States’ Motion for Summary Judgment (#18)
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that defendant Cliven Bundy’s Motion to Dismiss (#28) is
DENIED as moot.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy is permanently enjoined from trespassing on
the New Trespass Lands.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to protect the New
Trespass Lands against this trespass, and all future trespasses by Bundy.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy shall remove his livestock from the New
Trespass Lands within 45 days of the date hereof, and that the United States is entitled to
seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle that remain in trespass after 45 days of
the date hereof.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to
impound any of Bundy’s cattle for any future trespasses, provided the United States has
provided notice to Bundy under the governing regulations of the United States Department
of the Interior.
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask
I understand what you are saying MBTM...
But, I think the turnout of support for Bundy, and the social outcry...has them stopping to rethink how to proceed in filling their pockets.
What they are used to, is not what they got in reaction from the little people of America. They forgot we do have a backbone. They thought it was long gone, but it's not. It's going to be up to the voters to pull out that backbone, and vote these vermin out of office. This could be the start of something that leads to us seeing the shutdown of the internet too. We'll have to see how this plays out. The game is not over.
Judge Jones said he found that “the government and the agents of the government in that locale, sometime in the ’70s and ’80s, entered into a conspiracy, a literal, intentional conspiracy, to deprive the Hages of not only their permit grazing rights, for whatever reason, but also to deprive them of their vested property rights under the takings clause, and I find that that’s a sufficient basis to hold that there is irreparable harm if I don’t … restrain the government from continuing in that conduct.”
In fact, Judge Jones accused the federal bureaucrats of racketeering under the federal RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corruption Organizations) statute, and accused them as well of extortion, mail fraud, and fraud, in an effort “to kill the business of Mr. Hage.”
Notably, the court said, "The Government may not abuse its discretion in refusing to renew, or in revoking, a [grazing] privilege."
Significantly, the family will be under permanent injunctive relief and the government shall not reduce the Hages' permits by more than 25 percent for any period of time without the courts' consent, and never permanently.
Specifically, the court found, "The Government has abused its discretion in the present case through a series of actions designed to strip the [Hage] Estate of its grazing permits, and ultimately to strip Defendants of their ability to use their water rights." He explained, "Substantive due process protects individuals from arbitrary deprivation of their liberty by government."
The court further explained, "The Government cannot withdraw them (grazing permits) or refuse to renew them vindictively or for reasons totally unrelated to the merits of the application as governed by published laws and regulations, lest the Government abuse its executive power in a way that shocks the conscience."
reply to post by govmule
The big money boys are the Koch brothers, and their kind. You know, the people who own FOX, and spend millions of $'s trying to get people like you all fired up to do their bidding for them. I'd be willing to bet that 3 weeks ago you knew NOTHING about this issue. But now, after a few hours of listening to FOX, you're an expert, right? Which one of is the sheep again?
originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: govmule
Aaand...You know NOTHING about ME, (and I suspect, nothing about what's really going on here. But, hey, rave on!). So why don't you practice what you preach, and stop assuming you know my motivations/sources of information/affiliations?