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The truth about the Bundy Ranch incident and proof Harry Reid is a criminal.

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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 11:25 AM
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Say what you want about Clive Bundy, some think he is a tax evader who only shields himself with the Constitution to skirt lawful federal fines and penalties. Some believe him to be a national hero who stood up to blatant federal overreach and helped others to unify against tyranny.

What you think of Bundy is not as important an issue as what you think about the Senate majority leader when all the research and evidence has been laid out for you. This video will show you exactly what ties Mr. Reid has to the BLM and to Mr. Bundy and the ranch itself. Any doubt you may have had until now should be gone after watching this.





posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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You would think FOX news would be all over this. And I might actually agree with them for once.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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tinner07
You would think FOX news would be all over this. And I might actually agree with them for once.


Actually, I just heard on the radio that FOX's Greg Gutfeld was discussing this last night. I didn't catch it all, but they played a soundbyte of him saying something like:
"As soon as someone brought up Reid's involvement, boom, it was over!"



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:31 PM
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The MSM skirt issues and hint and make innuendo.

Something with actual bite and proof that would blow up like this and it won't be touched with a 29 1/2 foot pole.

They want ratings not revolts.

Drama not truth.

Just my .02



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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Thanks for posting this, S+F! Not many people are aware of the role the BLM played in this, and Reid's son. It's messed up, and if our government weren't corrupt as they say they are, they'd probably treat it as an invasion...but no.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:43 PM
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the video is wrong, the solar project is NOT "on the very land where the bundy ranch is located" as stated as fact in the above clip.
plus, just saying Ried is a criminal does not make him one, a court of law is where that is determined......... so, your entire title is false at most, or misleading at least.
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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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Can you link some sources to your claim please? The video has sources, credible ones, so I will need to see yours to verify. Also, a court of law does in fact decide who is a criminal but criminal actions as viewed by others is how you get into a courtroom to begin with and if you haven't seen enough proof to think Harry Reid needs to be investigated for this, well, then I would just say your not the average reasonable person because his actions appear to be in gross conflict with the law.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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You must have missed this one.

The whole story is outlined pretty well here....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Official documents and reports, maps, etc. etc.




posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 02:22 PM
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Pledge yourself too the teachings of Harry Reid,,,Do not Deny your Destiny



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 02:29 PM
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LOL



The force is with him.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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Helious
Say what you want about Clive Bundy, some think he is a tax evader who only shields himself with the Constitution to skirt lawful federal fines and penalties. Some believe him to be a national hero who stood up to blatant federal overreach and helped others to unify against tyranny.

What you think of Bundy is not as important an issue as what you think about the Senate majority leader when all the research and evidence has been laid out for you. This video will show you exactly what ties Mr. Reid has to the BLM and to Mr. Bundy and the ranch itself. Any doubt you may have had until now should be gone after watching this.





I am seeing early reports that Issa is ordering an investigation on Reid's involvement. It is posted on beforeitsnews.com. I will not provide a link until I can verify it is true. I certainly hope somebody investigates this!



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 12:59 AM
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Whether or not Reid is acting criminally, Mr. Bundy is. The other ranchers pay grazing fees but Bundy owes for over 20 years of back fees and fines. Public lands require oversite to maintain the environment and prevent abuse. Over grazing pollutes waterways, ruins topsoils, destroys banks, fisheries, contaminates water that other animals use...... this oversite costs money, paid for with the grazing fees among other sources. It is not HIS land. This is NOT the 1880's. So maybe Reid is trying to pull a fast one, but Mr. Bundy has been acting criminally for decades. This has been an opportunistic happenstance for all the anti-government types and the media loves it. ONE MAN AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF THE OBAMA SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT! A load of crap. Bundy is also trying to pull a fast one, slowly.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 02:44 AM
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jaxnmarko
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Whether or not Reid is acting criminally, Mr. Bundy is. The other ranchers pay grazing fees but Bundy owes for over 20 years of back fees and fines. Public lands require oversite to maintain the environment and prevent abuse. Over grazing pollutes waterways, ruins topsoils, destroys banks, fisheries, contaminates water that other animals use...... this oversite costs money, paid for with the grazing fees among other sources. It is not HIS land. This is NOT the 1880's. So maybe Reid is trying to pull a fast one, but Mr. Bundy has been acting criminally for decades. This has been an opportunistic happenstance for all the anti-government types and the media loves it. ONE MAN AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF THE OBAMA SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT! A load of crap. Bundy is also trying to pull a fast one, slowly.


In 1993 the fed decided to limit grazing to protect the desert tortoise because they claim the cattle are harming the tortoise/environment, yet they have coexisted just fine in the same area for quite some time... This is the same desert tortoise that the feds are now euthanizing because they don't have enough money...

Lets assume for a second that the feds are 100% in the right here (lol) and Bundy owes some money - does that warrant a SWAT team, armored vehicles, snipers, and what are essentially soldiers in camouflage/military gear? Seems they have enough money to pay those guys but not protect their precious desert tortoise which started all this...
Why not build a debtors prison while we're at it, I hear there's some prime real estate in Nevada available. And you can feed the prisoners tortoise so the fed doesn't have to spend any more money killing them...

And how about that First Amendment "zone"?

Any money Bundy owes is seconday to the heavy handed federal government's handling of this situation - THAT is what people have a problem with. The government has not been a good steward of our money or resources for a very long time and people are sick of it. Judge Napalatono had it right, if the government is in the right and the courts agree, AND this is really just about the money, then they should have no problem with obtaining a lein on his property. No reason to send armed thugs out there...
www.realclearpolitics.com...

And none of this even touches on the very likely possibility that Reid is smack dab in the middle of all this. And to your first remark:



Whether or not Reid is acting criminally,


He's a politician, they are (almost) all criminals...



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 03:12 AM
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Here's a snippet from the BLM mitigation report:


The degree of compensation will take into consideration the condition of the resource values present in the Dry Lake SEZ and also consider the relative costs and benefits of the use of public lands for solar energy development, including the amount of time and effort required to restore the disturbed area upon expiration of the lease.
The recommended mitigation actions are drawn from the “Proposed Las Vegas Resource Management Plan and Final Environmental Impact Statement” (Las Vegas RMP) (BLM 1998). They consist of restoration and preservation measures prescribed for the Gold Butte Area of Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC), but for which sufficient resources have been unavailable.
The Gold Butte ACEC is in the same ecological zone (ecoregion) and subzone as the Dry Lake SEZ and is of the same vegetation community. The Gold Butte ACEC provides habitat for all of the wildlife, including the special status species, found in the Dry Lake SEZ.


Heres a map,of the area:



The proposed solar plant is at Dry Lake, and as you no doubt know, Gold Butte, the disputed land between Bundy and the government, is just outside the top right corner of the map.

For Reid to get his solar plant to go ahead at Dry Lake, he needs to mitigate it (hence, the MITIGATION report) by having Gold Butte turned into a conservation site, Cliven Bundy even says this himself.

It was already an area of critical environmental concern anyway.

Full report:
www.blm.gov...

I've been trying to lay this out for a couple of days now and met heavy resistance, not sure why, you guys had it almost right..I guess peoples egos are too large to admit they're wrong!

It's pretty clear once you read the report, even just the strategy outline would have sufficed, that there is no solar plant being built anywhere near Bundy's ranch.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 10:01 AM
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Can you explain why the BLM is on record citing Bundy's cattle as a problem for the project preceding this event? Then further explain how Harry Reid has clean hands in all of this with his proven and heavy connections directly to the BLM and this project?

It seems pretty self evident to me, well and many others, I think that may be why you are meeting heavy resistance, mostly because the situation is quite obvious.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 10:22 AM
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AlphaHawk


I've been trying to lay this out for a couple of days now and met heavy resistance, not sure why, you guys had it almost right..I guess peoples egos are too large to admit they're wrong!




Because as they tow the party line, it is a direct assault on their beliefs in the world, or what the current Admin has told them.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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Helious
reply to post by AlphaHawk
 


Can you explain why the BLM is on record citing Bundy's cattle as a problem for the project preceding this event? Then further explain how Harry Reid has clean hands in all of this with his proven and heavy connections directly to the BLM and this project?

It seems pretty self evident to me, well and many others, I think that may be why you are meeting heavy resistance, mostly because the situation is quite obvious.


I won't try to defend Harry Reid--he has been in Congress too long to not have corruption baggage, but I'll jump in and try to help concerning the cattle & the BLM.

Prior to the beginning of the Bundy cattle roundup, there was a BLM page describing the damage done by his bovine. Then it was taken down. Here is a link to a cached copy of the web page.

One of the descriptions reads:

Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.


Basically, any mitigation done will be stomped and pooped upon by Bundy's cattle.

Just because the restoration activities are impared, nothing is stopping development of the solar project...yet.

Environmental groups are threatening to sue the BLM over this, and the fact that the BLM hasn't produced mandated annual reports on the status of the threatened wildlife in the Gold Butte area since 2006.

*on a side note, I hadn't read about some of the other complaints against Bundy's cattle. From the cached page above:

Examples of Recent Incidents of Private Property Damage Caused by Bundy's Trespass Cattle

One feral cow was hit by an automobile within Lake Mead National Recreation Area. Cattle are frequently seen on public
roads, including State Route 170 and pose a danger to vehicles and to members of the public traveling on public roads.

Overton Wildlife Refuge (State of Nevada) employee attacked by a Bundy bull.

Crop destroyed by Bundy cattle on private land.

Mesquite Heritage Community Garden damaged by trespass cattle.

Mesquite golf course damaged by trespass cattle.






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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 10:38 AM
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I've just read through your entire thread you posted a link too, excellent work!!!



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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macman

AlphaHawk


I've been trying to lay this out for a couple of days now and met heavy resistance, not sure why, you guys had it almost right..I guess peoples egos are too large to admit they're wrong!




Because as they tow the party line, it is a direct assault on their beliefs in the world, or what the current Admin has told them.



"direct assault on their beliefs in the world"....uhmm yeah...I believe bundy should follow the law, pay his taxes like every other rancher around there. he had his day in court twice, the BLM even tried to make a deal with him on reducing what they charged him per head to graze........by the way, where is FOX NEWS, Hannity, oath keepers, etc. when all those ranchers and farmers are trying to stop the keystone pipeline from going through their property in the Midwest??....apparently that eminent domain takeover, involves republican congressman, oil corporations, big business, against....LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!......



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 11:02 AM
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jimmyx

"direct assault on their beliefs in the world"....uhmm yeah...I believe bundy should follow the law, pay his taxes like every other rancher around there.

Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right.
I believe the larger issue there is that the Federal Govt basically took the land from the State, where the land was given to the State by people with certain restrictions.
And it isn't taxes either. It is a fee that the BLM has instituted so it has additional funding.



jimmyx
he had his day in court twice, the BLM even tried to make a deal with him on reducing what they charged him per head to graze........

Much like the IRS, it is a department created to rule over people.
Having dealt directly with BLM Rangers as a LEO , and outside of LE, I can say that the amount of authority they have taken is just outrageous. But I know that stating that to you will fall on deaf ears. It always will for those that love them some Govt.





jimmyxby the way, where is FOX NEWS, Hannity, oath keepers, etc. when all those ranchers and farmers are trying to stop the keystone pipeline from going through their property in the Midwest??

I lost Rupert Murdoch's cell number when I upgraded my phone last year. So......I can't answer that for FOX.
And I do believe eminent domain has been addressed by those listed though. Maybe you should listen with your non deaf ear.





jimmyx
....apparently that eminent domain takeover, involves republican congressman, oil corporations, big business, against....LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!......


And it is wrong as well.

You must have me confused with your polar opposite. Just because you tow the Dem party line, doesn't not in turn mean I tow the Rep line.

You really should pay attention more.




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