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Good answer....what's your background Dave? Did you study physics in academia or are you an enthusisst/self taught?
I ask this as your posts are always well informed with good examples to back up your arguments.....
Engineering, artificial intelligence, particle physics, weapons systems, honorary PhD (only) for my work in plasma transmission and ring lasers in EMP
I find it hard believe that any civilisation reaching our level of technological complexity would not leave behind some sort of mess that we
would detect as none natural.
It only takes a few hundred years to wash away the surface stains, another hundred thousand to put pretty much everything below ground and out of
site. Everything breaks down to it's ground state, even in classical physics, entropy always reduces order to chaos.
We have poluted the Earth, Sea, Space and the near Planets with our crap and some of it will take millions of years to degrade to the point of
appearing like natural phenomena (high orbit sattelites/nuclear waste capsules/footprints and tracks on the moon/man made diamonds etc)
The biggest problem is nuclear waste, but after 10k or 20k years, even that tends to go away somewhat, after 100k, it's all but dispersed. One area
that is very interesting is the Indus Valley in India. That layer of radioactive material on top of a town buried for more than 12,000 years is a dead
giveaway and no one has adequately explained it occurring as a natural event. Of course there are the legends (history, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita) of
India that speak of an incredible nuclear war in that area (Harappa and Mohenjo Daro Excavations). Coincidence? Who knows, if only the rocks could
speak, eh. Oppenheimer even quoted from the old texts after the nuclear bomb was created in the US, "I am Shiva and I am become death, the destroyer
of worlds." A hint maybe from people in the "know."
Saying that, if we start to think in Billions rather than millions (pre civilisation disapeared into space/into a virtual reality 1 billion
years ago) they could well have just manufactured self replicating nano machines to break down all man made objects into base elements with the final
job being to erase themselves.
We already have the nano machines, they are called bacteria ;-) As far as a virtual reality, I am quite convinced we already exist in one and we are
just riders on meat-puppet-buses, there is no free will. I presume this due to the way Bell's Theorem works, you know, that spooky action at a
distance makes it pretty easy to use the event horizon of the universe as a projector to create the interference patterns of bosons that in our case
coalesce into matter rather than just photons producing light based holograms? I have performed all lot of work with the NRC and universities in
quantum gateways (ER/EPR solutions) for quantum tunneling communications in non local space over vast distances and adiabatic reactors producing BECs
(Bose Einstein Condensates and micro singularities), also for quantum communications, zero point energy creation and macro particle fusion using
dynamic magnetic fields operating at rotational speeds just over C (look Ma, no moving parts ;-) ).
As far as destroying our own civilization (or our past ones), not a hard job I imagine. Pollute with chemicals to force low to no birth rates, GMO's
to alter vegetation to the point that conventional agriculture is non-viable, curtail natural sociological process to also reduce birthrates and
destroy co-operation through singularism and materialism, divide people along ideological, religious or other lines, accelerated wars with technology
that can easily destroy the entire planet, etc., we are doomed to repeat the errors of our past because our past is either hidden or the history is
controlled. But we'll start again, maybe 100k years from now with a survivor population of less than 10,000 people after this civilization collapses,
along maybe, hopefully, a different path. Or maybe a million or two million years as a different species. The nice thing about a virtual reality, is
it is predictable and modifiable to suit the experiment or the learning curve that is required by the designer of the experiment. Unfortunately,
because we don't live outside the "system" of reality, we cannot divine the purpose or reason behind the reality.
Yet to see one artifact that is properly "out of place " (assuming that much of history was revised to suit the lords of the printing press and
humans didnt suddenly start becoming intelligent 2000 years ago).
There have been so many artifacts that have been out of place, including what looks like fully formed spark plugs with hex nut fittings on them in 150
million year old coal. The Antikythera machine is another as you mention, but that is recent history. Fossilized mud showing human and dinosaur
footprints as well as images carved on temple walls was showing people walking with dinosaurs and then there are all of those funny little models of
solid gold flying machines (recent history like the Antikythera). As I said, the history has been hidden and the only reliable record I have seen that
has not been polluted by the "victors" is the Hopi and Anasazi. But then I also prefer North American Indian ideology, think seven generations ahead
and leave the land better than you found it, we are simply stewards on a journey home.
The Antikythera mechanism is a good candidate as no one in the world repeated it's structure until the 14th century but the evidence suggests
someone, somewhere (possibly now under water) knew how to build complex machines long before the Greeks/Romans/Egyptians/Sumerians/Indus Valley
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We exist in an interesting time ;-)
Cheers - Dave
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