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Russian Jet Provokes U.S. Military Naval Ship

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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 11:51 AM
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VirusGuard
reply to post by rickynews
 

Yes I can agree tbat Russian had a puppet in power but the downfall came because of the economic conditions and he was in the process of making concessions but then the right was told to attack why he was at his weakest.

Should we too pick up guns as the tide turns against Obama too ?

The Ukraine has been squeling like a pig just to get $1bn aid from the USA and all it has got so far is a loan guarantee but the point is that the USA spends $3bn a day on it's war machine, it's peanuts and is trying to squease the people of the Ukraine by the balls whilst at the same time milking tax payers at home by provoking a war so that the jewish owned military manufactures in the USA can rake in a fortune.

Peace is not part of the plan for now untill they push it too far.


We don't take up arms in this country..we take our vote to the election booth, as I think that we will soon see in the Republic of Ukraine, perhaps in the way of a referendum (once the situation simmers down) as to whether they, as a people, want and will to have economic ties or partnerships with both Russia and the EU.

The people of Ukraine appear to want ties to both Russia and the EU, instead of Exclusively and Only with Russia, and as desired by Russia, and I believe that Russia has already conceded, or at least they should concede, the reality that at some point, Ukraine will have some economic partnership with the EU. But, once again, Russia has no intentions of either conceding its control or its sphere of influence over the people of Ukraine, nor do they in any way intend to truly permit its sovereignty, and we can assuredly expect Russia to continue to do whatever they can to disrupt, derail and destroy a free and independent nation of Ukraine. Freedom for the people of Ukraine is Not in the best interests of Mother Russia.

The real question is, why do the people of Ukraine want to gain some distance from Russia's sphere of influence ? I would guess it is for many reasons, not the least of which is that they have been oppressed and controlled by the Soviet Union/Russia for the past 75-100+ years or more, and as such, they have awoken, and have come to realize that they are not a free, self-governing people, and in reality, they have been, and are, a people oppressed and controlled by Moscow.

Totalitarianism and Communism has not gone away. It may have been defeated, it may have been weakened, it may have proven to be a failure...but it has not gone away, and that is a reality that the people of Ukraine have come to realize, and they intend to be Free.
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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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The people of the Ukraine cannot have their cake and eat it thats for sure.

Russia was not holding on to the Ukraine with an Iron fist and all the EU will have to offer is another Greek bailout but this time all the gold has already been shipped to the USA for what they are calling "safe keeping"

The IMF wants public sector wages cut by more than half, cheap russian gas will come to an end and you have a right wing terrorist group calling the shoots.

Just like in Libya some people wanted a change and now they dream of the good old days and its the same with the Ukraine now they see the only thing on the menu is themselves, hence the west does not want a vote.

Russia did not start the shooting, are being responsible and had no desire for a conflict but if the right is allowed to kill anti nazi protestors then don't blame Russia if they roll in to administer some justice before restoring order.

You seem to forget that the people of the Crimea also had the 75-100 years of russian rule but they must have liked it to vote 96% to stay with Russia or are you going to argue that it was fixed, people parties in the street all took place because the KGB was in town.

The EU is so good that half the member states want out, riot at least once a week so who apart from the likes of Turkey would want to join that group.

Ask yourself if Russian had total control over the Ukraine then how come they allowed 40 tons of gold to be looted by the americans and why was the gold not held in Mossco

This says 33 tons but i think it was 40 tons of gold
21stcenturywire.com...






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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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Russia doesn't have an operational stealth aircraft they could have used.

Oh thats true because you say so… you always ask me for "proof" or "sources" when I am conjecturing…

Well?

ETA: Might as well show the proof it wasn't an Ukrainian "Fencer" either. No conjecture, now. Or mainstream media "proof" allowed.


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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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I'm willing to concede that Crimea, with armed and at the ready Russian Military Troops operating the so called voting polling stations,
may very well have voted 95% to become part of Russia.

However, to assume that All of Ukraine wants to be annexed by the Communist Russian Federation, is a notion that is flat out ridiculous.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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This is nothing new. I was in the Navy and the Russians have been testing for years. I remember one time we had an aircrew come back to the boat with pictures of a Russian sub off our coast down in Florida.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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I hope that Russia didn't copy any stealth designs from the USA

www.fightercontrol.co.uk...

Read the bottom comment

Silly buggers built a stealth destroyer too and it has the radar signiture of a fishing boat which is fine until you fire your first shoot and then it had better grow wings to evade the response from an angry fleet of russian bombers.

Still it keeps people in a job and money flowing in from american tax payers.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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Honestly, I've never met a more paranoid bunch in my life. The Chinese engage in these acts of war on a regular basis
against other Asians and result in actual human deaths(of fishermen) and you hear nothing about it. And while you are busy fighting each other, the Chinese are slowly rising. Here, check out this article:

thediplomat.com...

Hello, there are only 600 million Whites in the world, so stop fighting each other and focus on the real threat, which are the Chinese. Do you really want to wipe each other out, so that the Chinese are the only ones left standing?

I've already pointed out the Chinese's intentions in various threads. In addition, who is the only current government in the world that supports Kim Jong Un? And while you keep using the term annex, even though the Crimeans voted for it, the Chinese took
Tibet by force.

Finally, it should be noted that you never fought communism, all you did was fought a bunch of farmers who posed no threat whatsoever. China and Russia were the real threats and you did nothing(China didn't even have nuclear weapons back then, so let's just say you were just scared, and honestly, if you had attacked them, you'd probably have a lot more success.)

Ironicly, it was us who prevented the spread of communism by taking out Pol Pot(who's half-Chinese, and who the West and China voted to power, which was effectively the beginning of the genocide. Basically, if you look at the Cambodian genocide, it coincided with the time they kicked us out, so you could say, we could have saved their entire population, if they hadn't kicked us out), not that it was ever much of a threat to begin with(it should be noted that Napoleon was also an atheist, so you know what exactly is the reason for these dictators' brutality. In fact, show Kim Jong Un what I wrote and I bet he'll resign. However, as I've pointed out, DON'T charge him or his soldiers with anything. Saving the North Koreans is enough, and enlightened people do not need to seek revenge).



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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VirusGuard

Cydonia2012
I read about Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny too but at some point we need to distinguish fantasy from reality....


Santa clause this one

Ban on collecting rain water
www.naturalnews.com...#

And another one
Illegal Vegetable Gardens
www.wealthdaily.com...

And even more
Gun raid for selling milk
www.myfoxny.com...

I won't go on to prove the rest but I will say that I cannot take you seriously on what you have to say about the Ukriane when you don't seem to know whats going on in your own country



"Yes americans read and weep and you can keep this type of freedom to yourselves"

NavyDoc


Look what happened to the world the last time Russia and Germany got friendly.


Yes we both know our history but it was the bankers in Germany that sowed the seeds in the early 1930 where you need to take a wheel barrow to buy a loaf of bread and the only thing that dragged the USA out of the depression was the war.

Bankers are behind this war too.
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your 1st link doesn't work, as for the 2nd one, I don't know how credible that site is but I could tell you that I've grown vegetables and no one has come knocking at my door to arrest me so I call BS on that link. As for the 3rd one.... LOL!!!! You didn't go there! You guys bash Fox for over sensationalizing this fly by but then you bring them to your defense with this? Laughable at best! May I ask what country you are from and where you reside? YOu don't have to reply but I just want to get an understanding of your thought process.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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rickynews
reply to post by VirusGuard
 

I'm willing to concede that Crimea, with armed and at the ready Russian Military Troops operating the so called voting polling stations,
may very well have voted 95% to become part of Russia.


Come on admit when you are wrong or you will have to deal with the question of outside international observers over seeing the vote and giving it a clean bill of health

"However, to assume that All of Ukraine wants to be annexed by the Communist Russian Federation, is a notion that is flat out ridiculous."

My misses tries that trick all the time by going from one exstream to another, I'm well protected and I am sure you would find one Ukraian who wants to vote for Elvis but the fear is that enough will vote to reject the EU, the neo-nazi parties and will vote for ties with Russia.

I am not saying they are guranteed to win but the fear in the USA is that their puppets will be out and that is why the USA is doing all in its powers to block any vote taking place.

Even if they reject Russia then you are still left with the right-wing (who just weeks ago were asked to hand guns back in but now the USA wants to send more guns too) falling out with those in power because the left and right just cannot agree so to me it looks like the USA is getting something known as blowback over it's actions in the Ukraine



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:16 PM
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The first link still works fine for me so maybe it's being blocked in "the land of the free" and the second link said what I said and I don't have time for lame excuses on the 3rd link.

Point is with so many americans themselves being tired of this democracy that the USA is trying to export then what make you or anyone else think that the people of the Ukraine want any of that apart from the Elite that just loves getting richer any way they can.

" May I ask what country you are from and where you reside? YOu don't have to reply but I just want to get an understanding of your thought process."

In the past 20 years I have lived and worked in four country's but all inside the EU, been to the USA 3 times, worked with americans dozens of times but got married in Antigua if that helps.





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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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VirusGuard
reply to post by Cydonia2012
 


The first link still works fine for me so maybe it's being blocked in "the land of the free" and the second link said what I said and I don't have time for lame excuses on the 3rd link.

Point is with so many americans themselves being tired of this democracy that the USA is trying to export then what make you or anyone else think that the people of the Ukraine want any of that apart from the Elite that just loves getting richer any way they can.






1st link does work, don't know why I couldn't open it at 1st. Still, the accuracy of those links is questionable. Like I said, no one is beating down my door for growing tomatos in my yard. Who are these "so many americans"? You read about them also like Santa Clause?



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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I hope that Russia didn't copy any stealth designs from the USA

I was about to state we can't really know they do or don't have stealth because its Stealth, lol.

Then I read that comment. Though generally frowned upon to link other blogs here… so I'll just reprint that comment…


Some years ago the Aussies claimed their radar could detect a stealth a/c such as a B2 2,000 miles away. However they lost it when it closed to 600 miles. By having a radar station chain in the outback, they reckon they could therefore detect & defend the Australian coastline.

Whoops, cat out of bag.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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Nope first link works fine for me and you already got blown away with the "Santa Clause" comment when I posted links but since you asked for another one then here it is and it's only a week old

offgridsurvival.com...

Can we get back on topic please because we are drifting too far



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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Glad you liked that one.

You want cat out of bag !

Well I can tell you I witnessed something near a military base that I was not suposed to see and I am not sure if it was to blind anyone using night vision, help aircraft to land in an emergency at night or just illuminate the skys so AA could shoot them down but they have something that turns night in to day for as far as the eye can see and no I don't think it was ET saying hello.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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Another thing that needs to be pointed out is that the Russians were the real heroes of the war against Hitler and Napoleon(well, everybody contributed, but I would say they contributed the most as those two suffered the greatest casualties
against the Russians, and who knows what would have happened if they had conquered Russia, conquered China, and THEN decided to team up against the U.S(I think Hitler's mistake was to attack Russia instead of China first, and not try to get the Chinese to fight for them. I mean, that's basically how the Mongolians, with an army of just 100,000 almost conquered the world). The atomic bombs wouldn't have been enough as there were only 3 at the time. In addition, the Russians have never tried to expand beyond their ethnicity(and I don't think they have ever done so without just cause, though I'm not familiar with their history.)

Don't just assume that communism = bad. The definition of communism is actually quite benign and doesn't sound much different from socialism. If the leader loves his people, then there's nothing wrong with it(Stalin was not Russian, and Ho Chi Minh did not commit genocide. He did kill South Vietnamese people, but it was a civil war(started by the U.S staging the Golf of Tonkin incident), so you can't say that he committed genocide.

Capitalism doesn't necessarily result in a better lifestyle either. For every Vietnam, there's India, Thailand, Indonesia, and Philippines. At least we have a war as an excuse(and the West has only started to remove the trade embargoes in 1992), what exactly are those countries'?

People may point to the U.S, Europe and Japan, yet those countries are in so much debt(a lot is said about the U.S' debt, yet Japan is also right up there with 10 trillion), you'd have to wonder, what exactly do they own? And the Japanese have to study and work so much that in the end, you'd have to ask, is it even worth it?

In addition, if it weren't for the U.S invading and taking other countries' resources, they would be in even more debt. Basically, it's not possible to have a high population AND a high standard of living at the same time.

The richest countries in Europe have very low population and a lot of oil, and that's really what it comes down to, population vs resources(which is why the Chinese are so dangerous, they have a huge population and not a lot of natural resources, that is why the solution is to get them to "voluntarily" reduce their population, and honestly, that's pretty much the solution to most problems.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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good post ND
maybe an off season trade will balance things out?



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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And if stealth relied only on passive systems then passive or long wave radar would track it well enough to tell something was there, but not well enough to target.

Stealth doesn't rely only on passive systems however. A stealth aircraft that was actively trying to hide wouldn't have been tracked. Pointing out that a stealth aircraft transiting from one location to another, and not actually in combat doesn't prove a damn thing.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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VirusGuard
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I hope that Russia didn't copy any stealth designs from the USA

www.fightercontrol.co.uk...

Read the bottom comment

Silly buggers built a stealth destroyer too and it has the radar signiture of a fishing boat which is fine until you fire your first shoot and then it had better grow wings to evade the response from an angry fleet of russian bombers.

Still it keeps people in a job and money flowing in from american tax payers.




Makes you wonder why everybody is copying technology that doesn't work then i guess...



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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TDawgRex

kloejen
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I am one of those that thinks both the USA and Russia are bullies. Ok, it might be that the USA is a bigger bully, these days.
Was that what you meant by the world has changed?
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Back during the Cold War, things always seemed to be at a head. But they never actually materialized into WWIII. Cooler heads always prevailed. It seems to me that it was one big game where rules were not to be broken. Oh, they could be bent, but not broken.

Nowadays, it seems to me that the rules have changed. No one cares about the rules being broken, but rather how far they can be bent.


I don't think anything has changed. I can't say no one care about the rules being broken, if no one is breaking them. It's always been about seeing how far they could bend.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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VirusGuard
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Nope first link works fine for me and you already got blown away with the "Santa Clause" comment when I posted links but since you asked for another one then here it is and it's only a week old

offgridsurvival.com...

Can we get back on topic please because we are drifting too far




you are the one drifting with your bs links.




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