religion was inevitable

You never answered my question about the morals thing. what did you mean?

reply to post by bigcountry08


See for example www.abovetopsecret.com...

You don't answer my questions either.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


I enjoy music, Music helps one get into the mood and im really posting music to make a point persay- I just like showing people new music and if the music is relevant that makes it all the better. I do post documentries as well.

And i don't always post music for every comment i make If it bothers you sir i apologize.
You asked me a question i never answered for you in another thread * Where do i get my information from *
Iv have personal encounters with E.T and tho they didn't say anything.

I got more than enough information out of the experience than what i find floating around on the internet.
that's part of the reason why it sounds similar yet different. So seeing a shape and form, as well as some supernatural abilities helped me give them characteristics. If something is able to walk through thorn bushes, physical objects like walls and doors but has the ability to teleport- If the being is naked ( no sign of clothing or technological devices) Than it must be anti-physical. I still couldn't make many connections about *what* i saw until i started devling into mythology and religion.

Now i don't exactly feel particularly religious as everyone else does. But after everything that's happened to me iv had to adapt to it. I never believed in the Jesus thing, But i had thoughts of a creator.
I went to church every sunday growing up, and i mostly sat there ignoring the Jesus crap and paying attention more or less to the stories and physical attributes of the characters and the events.

Now iv never had an alien tell me the Agenda, But iv had a couple lucid nightmares of which iv only had a handfull in my life. The first one i can remeber, Is standing inside a suburban house at the front door. Iv never seen the place before but it had 4 glass planels on the front door and when i looked out the windows were frosted over. I opened the door and i was greet by the driveway and a orange street light on the other side of the street, behind the light was thick forest.
The drive way and the road were covered in a layer of 3 inches of snow, But wasn't snowing. There was a cage standing in the middle of the road, when i was staring at it, the metal doors unhinged and opened and for a moment all i could see was darkness inside. Then a glowing white wolf walks out, and my sight zoomed in to its face and i saw blue celectial eyes. Then its snout curled into a snarl and i my sight went back to where i was standing. The wolf was running towards me and it took 10 seconds to reach me, when it did it vanished. Then reappeared with its head rearing from the top left. I woke up and had no idea what i had just experienced, but the strangest part of it was, That one particular night was one of the only nights iv ever went to sleep at 10 PM and woke up at 10 AM. It literally felt like i just went to sleep and opened my eyes and its daylight out.

A couple years after that dream i had my first E.T experience, Coincidentally. Well in its wolf shape, A jetblack wolf ( Alien shapeshifter, Prior to seeing the wolf during the ET experience it was a panther but shapeshifted into a pale faceless humanoid creature) It just was strange that it was such a weird coincidence to see that happening, It wasn't a white wolf this time but rather an entity.

There's a lot more to it as well, Iv had a few lucid dreams since that experience and they were all catastrophic. Anyways, As much as i enjoy sciences and technology (expecially advanced technology) i was on a quest to find out what it was i was communicating with. What keeps following me around? As a child i thought they were spirits. But i guess since these entities can be mistaken for a spirit or some sort of poltergeist/demon. It's not until you see their technology that you clue in to them being living beings but holding the power of the dead, the power of spirits.

Now with all this information alone, you can make connections to Egypt, Christianity (Cherubim, Sepherim- Old Testament entities that acompanied Yahweh) From what iv read these beings have been around for a long time. But likewise There is much lore about reptiles. I realize that non of this might make sense to you. But there are 2 animal kingdoms fighting over the human species.

There are the Beasts And there are the Reptiles. We humans are beasts ( if it isn't obvious enough already we don't lay eggs)

Im probably confusing you sort of. There's literally to much information to cover and this isn't the appropriate thread to delve into those directions.

Basically my post has been about inflences for religion, Where creator gods or immitators have influenced our stories of creation and our myths of the passed. I'v never walked around on a spaceship *from what i can remeber consiously* Iv never had some entity come down from the sky and start talking to me telling me the secrets of the universe.
I'v just had to dig for answers, and It keeps leading me back to the old testament. As much as a face/palm for it because i don't enjoy the cheesy stories of Jesus. That what i have encountered (previously thought that they were new here... guess not) something that was Terrorfying but at the same time powerful.

I keep thinking of H.P lovecraft with all the * elder gods* who appear as pitch black shapeshifting masses. I don't know if they are Elder gods, but they kinda seem like it. They have this type of *ancient* feel to them that's what's staring at you may possibly be millions of years old. Their crafts themselves look ancient, With etchings on the bottom that semi protrude.

I never got any pictures i was pretty much struck with Awe. It's awe inspiring to see what they can do. Anyways i don't always going into this sort of detail but im going to stop now for the sake of everyone else in the thread. Believe it or not, i hope you just enjoyed the read and got a bit more clues at what's unfolding for humanity.

reply to post by gosseyn


which question?

why should I answer any of your questions anyway this is your thread you should be answering mine.

so far all you have done was deflect all of my questions about your false/loose statements.

Your link just brings me to another forum where you talk more about how morals have nothing to do with gods. What religion states that morals are built into us?

reply to post by bigcountry08

10 commandments ?

Thank you for your contribution. As far as I am concerned, this discussion with you is over. You are obviously a big troll.

reply to post by gosseyn


How are the 10 commandments implausible? The Hebrew god gives his people a set of rules to follow and that somehow is a crazy idea just because of empathy.

Basically every single one of your posts have shown one thing you really have no idea or clue whether there is a god or not but your opinion is there can't possible be one, so you just wrap your opinion up in hollow facts to make yourself seem legit.

No one can prove if their is a god and no one can disprove their is a god and if you say otherwise you look like a fool.

Thank you for conceding

I have read over this, and since I love to comment on these religious ones, I guess this is no different. What I understand from the OP is that religion did all these wonderful things. It helped men greatly in their scientific pursuit for understanding. This is true. Many of the greatest scientific minds of the past, and some of the present, have taken clues from the Bible and have used these to lead them to amazing discoveries. The art and structure in a snowflake is one. But then we got smart, and should abolish this foolish crutch that is embarrassing to us believers. Hmmm.

I will tell an interesting story. Many of todays "enlightened" scientific minds would look at these incredible structures from the past ("Stonehenge, etc) and would say "Man, I just don't get it, it must be aliens". Then a guy named Wally Wallington messed around and made a replica of Stonehenge, in his backyard, by himself. You don't really hear about this in the news. Ever wonder why? Because it makes people look foolish. Something they were confounded by was actually very simple. You know another guy erected an obelisk by just digging out sand underneath it until it stood up straight? Something sooooo simple confounded the greatest minds of our time. These are just examples.

Maybe the men back then were smarter? Maybe the men today have just went away from the apparent clues to our design and have decided to deify themselves. I would say it is entirely accurate the Lord has given my life meaning. I would say it is entirely accurate that it is my crutch. But never have I been embarrassed. Never have I been ashamed of the One who made me. I look upon the magnificence of His creation and I am awed. The more I learn, the more I recognize the perfection of all skill sets that has worked to make this thing we call life. What a wonder that He considers such a thing as me. You see this is the proper way to think. This is how men thought then, when we did amazing things. Not just Christians, all men. Our life was in perspective. Abolish it for yourself. It will live on in me.

I'm not sure about inevitable, but certainly the development of world-views is something that appears common to a lot of hunter-gatherer societies (although not all of them). Superstitions and divine ideas were common in hunter-gatherer societies, for example the Indiginous Australians held animist and ritualistic beliefs, perhaps as a way of explaining the unpredictability of nature. It is possible that these basic ideas were just expanded upon in later millenia.

I guess religion could have been an inevitability for humans once the Neolithic Revolution began, as they left their hunter-gatherer past behind and developed communities backed by larger resources of agriculture. This facilitated a social evolution in which the conditions may have favoured the development of organised religion, such as intra-societal conflict*. Not only did this encourage the specialisation of talents (particularly once communities started to consider trading), but the increased experience of belonging to a social group no doubt lead to a significant development to the ego, and therefore a larger interest in those around them, encouraging questions like 'why are we here?' etc.

*These are just ideas, originally seen as convincing, however the discovery of Gobekli Tepe has cast doubt on a lot of it. As this site suggests though, archaeological evidence surrounding the temple is currently still being debated.

Gob ekli Tepe

Naturally, some of Schmidt's colleagues disagree with his ideas. The lack of evidence of houses, for instance, doesn't prove that nobody lived at Göbekli Tepe. And increasingly, archaeologists studying the origins of civilization in the Fertile Crescent are suspicious of any attempt to find a one-size-fits-all scenario, to single out one primary trigger. It is more as if the occupants of various archaeological sites were all playing with the building blocks of civilization, looking for combinations that worked. In one place agriculture may have been the foundation; in another, art and religion; and over there, population pressures or social organization and hierarchy. Eventually they all ended up in the same place. Perhaps there is no single path to civilization; instead it was arrived at by different means in different places.

I'd conclude that rather than being inevitable, religion is highly useful for the development of a society and individual, hence why it has developed across many different cultures and societies throughout history.

reply to post by pleasethink

Many of todays "enlightened" scientific minds would look at these incredible structures from the past ("Stonehenge, etc) and would say "Man, I just don't get it, it must be aliens".

I don't consider the regulars on the Ancient Aliens show "enlightened scientific minds".

Serious archaeologists, anthropologists, and other scientific minds are quite sure that humans made these structures.

pleasethink
I have read over this, and since I love to comment on these religious ones, I guess this is no different. What I understand from the OP is that religion did all these wonderful things. It helped men greatly in their scientific pursuit for understanding. This is true. Many of the greatest scientific minds of the past, and some of the present, have taken clues from the Bible and have used these to lead them to amazing discoveries. The art and structure in a snowflake is one. But then we got smart, and should abolish this foolish crutch that is embarrassing to us believers. Hmmm.

I will tell an interesting story. Many of todays "enlightened" scientific minds would look at these incredible structures from the past ("Stonehenge, etc) and would say "Man, I just don't get it, it must be aliens". Then a guy named Wally Wallington messed around and made a replica of Stonehenge, in his backyard, by himself. You don't really hear about this in the news. Ever wonder why? Because it makes people look foolish. Something they were confounded by was actually very simple. You know another guy erected an obelisk by just digging out sand underneath it until it stood up straight? Something sooooo simple confounded the greatest minds of our time. These are just examples.

Maybe the men back then were smarter? Maybe the men today have just went away from the apparent clues to our design and have decided to deify themselves. I would say it is entirely accurate the Lord has given my life meaning. I would say it is entirely accurate that it is my crutch. But never have I been embarrassed. Never have I been ashamed of the One who made me. I look upon the magnificence of His creation and I am awed. The more I learn, the more I recognize the perfection of all skill sets that has worked to make this thing we call life. What a wonder that He considers such a thing as me. You see this is the proper way to think. This is how men thought then, when we did amazing things. Not just Christians, all men. Our life was in perspective. Abolish it for yourself. It will live on in me.

edit on 15-4-2014 by pleasethink because: (no reason given)

You see in my book what you say is perfectly fine. It is perfectly fine to be in permanent awe before all that exists. I think it is Einstein who said that there are two ways to live your life : living like nothing is a miracle and living like everything is a miracle. I find myself in the second category and I think you are too. I start to disagree when god(whatever it is or is not) is tribalised, trivialised, anthropomorphised and anthropocentred. I don't think it is science that is trivialising everything that exists, I think it is big religion. I think like in many domains of human activities, it is the journey, the process that is important and not the goal.

a reply to: Chamberf=6

True. And well stated. I guess the point being made is people are confounded by these things when in reality they are quite simple. My theory is modern man is programmed to think of things in complex terms, while missing the find details. It was just worded that way to be understood by the ATS regulars.

a reply to: gosseyn

Thanks for clarifying your position. I just don't really think I personally would have been led to this without the Bible. And being the Bible is part of religion, I don't think that abolishing religion would solve any issue, but compound issues we currently deal with. Also, there is no war being made by me(a religious person) against science. I don't see the two as opposed, more like interconnected. Like the snowflake, a gentleman once read in Job "Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow?" which led him to think "What is so interesting about snow?" surely. This drove him to study snowflakes. In doing so he began to find amazing, complex, beautiful patterns. None exactly the same, all displaying the same beautiful uniqueness. This is one of the things that has amazed me, as even in the tiniest detail, you see the watermark of perfection. This is where my belief in G-d started.

Another thing which you might find interesting, is another gentleman has an incredible device to take 3d images of very small things. He took another thing we all pass by and think nothing of: sand. Who ever grabbed a bunch of sand and said "Man, how beautiful and amazing is this sand!" and not been super high? Probably no one. But he goes around taking different sand and photographs it with this device. And it is one of the most beautiful things you would ever see. Like one of my favorite books, and one of my favorite passages says "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings." Proverbs. Anyways, thanks for taking time to read. Maybe look into these things. It is a wild ride and not for everyone, but you never know. Might change your life. It did mine.