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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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gosseyn

LittleByLittle

gosseyn
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Yes, as I said there is always more ignorance. Understanding all that exists can't be anything other than an ongoing process. I mean that only the process is important, and there are only steps with no final step.

We should be more like Leonardo daVinci, for whom there was no difference between science and art, because we compartmentalise too much.



Seeking truth be it physical understanding or playing around with chakras/chi flow is still experimenting with "what is". The problem I have with science now days is that some scientist (for instance Richard Dawkins) are very close minded and trapped in materialism and cannot seem to allow there to be a symbiosis between spiritual and materialism. From someone who have played around with Reiki being able to affect things remotely becomes a natural thing. What science today would call manipulating entanglement.
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Religion has become a box that makes people not question things. Some scientist are doing the same mistake organised religion made.


Yes, but as we all know science is changing and has changed in the past. If today there are scientists who hold onto some dogma, they will have to throw it away if new evidence is found and a new theory emerges. There's no such thing in religion, it is just a dogma. There is nothing comparable to the 'scientific method' in religion.


And here I thought Buddha was all about questioning everything including himself and his teachings.



“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”

Buddha quotes (Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism, 563-483 B.C.)


Many people make a lot of ad hominem rejection since they do not like the source of the information.

I do agree with your reasoning when we are discussing the organized Abrahamic religions that can be very dualistic (our way or hell) in their interpretation.

Eastern philosophy seem to have evolution inborn in them in the concept of the soul being a work in progress going from one state to another state. Evolution on all levels is the natural state of being on all levels be it nature, consciousness or spiritual matters.
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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 08:32 PM
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A lot of those things existed tho because of prior scars on humanity. Take a look at all the megalithic structures and ruins scattered around Earth and try to imagine it all done without advanced technology.

It's just not just tiny blocks of stone that was delt with, As well as all the sunken cities.
Do you think that the polar caps had walls of ice that dwafed mt everest? That all that water currently taking up our ocean right now was held up? Do you know how much mass that is? Could you even fathom it? Is it even possible?

What is more likely. That aliens have co-existed with humans, A cause and effect which led to a flood? Did humans produce all that water themselves? If so, Did they use spaceships to haul ice comets and asteroids to earth in a bid for world domination.

Kinda like dr evil with his asteroid stunt


If humans really wanted to im sure they could attempt such feats on their own, but with advanced technology.
But with the presence of E.T it makes it unlikely they attained asteroid hucking abilities where as an E.T species who has been delving with magnetic energies im sure if they had massive carriers, motherships, fleets. In a bid to rid of E.T presence within humanity. You could kinda see motives behind such things. Maybe tesla was Dr.evil in a previous incarnation of *Atlantis* and he had the ships and drones and stuff LOL i could see the *father* of electricity maybe pulling such a feat off if he had squads of minions to build for him.

But besides that, Im going to lean on the alien part of it because i have personally seen an alien before so i know they are here without a doubt. There is much tension in existance from the prior events that nearly wiped humanity out.

You can interpret any religious text you want and it will fit this story.
Solid religious dogmas as you have mentioned, Christianity, Islam, Greek, Egyptian,Gnostic. All relative figures, and base background myths are based on forgery or actual events.

You cannot take all that is written at face value. What we need to know is crital role players, that's all that matters.
Everything else is lost in meaning to the true facet of what all these stories try to say.

You could weed through any text and find political b.s its like age old conspiracy theoriests raging at enemy nations/Kings Events and such. You weed through all that and find the base line characters, Creator beings vs horny beings.
That's pretty much what it gets down to. One is our defenders the other rapes and pillages. Oh and their both aliens.
If i told you to write a movie script for this, But you didn't have a word for space. We would just call it heavens and stars now wouldn't we?

Plenty of lore about that. I see all of your points in your post, its well observed for the observer.
And without concrete visual evidence of such *unfathomable* creatures, its hard for some people to think they are here.
But like how policies are tight on earth, Basically on the break of setting off world war 3. It is no different with the species lurking above and below us. You can tell it is getting more tense tho, more sightings, More squads and armads of fleets visable.

No doubt the world orginizations are panicking about what they know will enevitably happen.
And because of the governments willingness to work with one particular faction of E.T. Its going to trigger responces from the other species that are observing and guarding the planet. All its going to take now, Is a world wide cataklysm or a nuclear WW3 to trigger the battle of the Gods.

Once a super volcano goes off, Or humanity is about to reach impending catastrophe. It will be a free for all for what ever humans are caught on the surface. And there is no telling where they would take you. Would some species leave you here? or would others carry you off to some epic mothership craft to dwell in for the rest of their lives? Would some be scooped up and brought to other planets?

I can't answer those questions for you. But what is coming will rock the core of humanity once again.
This has all happened before, The last time it happened, the flood happened. I am assuming this is not the first time Earth has been pillaged by otherworlders. You don't even understand the forces of power that humanity could weild under the guidance of one of these particular species.
It would be a major target for lesser advanced species, expecially since we are somewhat of a intruding species.

Everytime we try to push to space stage, us the sub-species keep getting interferance with other species. I could list good motives for other species to linger and resources is not one of them. All these species are interested in US.

Think about it, How fast do humans populate? If we attempted to achieve maximum potencial... what do you think the outcome would be? If you wanted to train a space faring species, with huge chunks of potencial genetic alterials, essencially alterable *black slate* where would you put them? You can't just breed them on a ship when its not completely nessisary. You are attempted to create another home world, But why create a subspecies?

Our instant reaction and likewise those from babylon were that we were made to mine gold, such a mediocure task for such hidden genetic potencial don't you think? What other reason would a flesh and blood species come to earth and create possible opposition, you can't create a perfect slave race. So why wouldn't they just use robots? And self manufacting robotic plants and nano technology? it seems more likely since that's the route we are currently taking right now.

So with that said, if humans are currently trying to develop robotic slaves instead of genetically bred slaves because * we know it would turn it bad* Why would an advanced species with forsight for such things, with intentions of colonizing a planet do such a thing? See there is little motivation, the story of our past itself is a contradiction.

We have 2 base line ideas, 1\ just a gold mining slave race 2\ we are a sub-creation of a trancendential species. Where humans would become trancended.

Which one sounds better to you? Which one would benefit you more? The being a gold slave or being a precurser of a trancended energy being?

That is from OUR perspective, now think from the perspective of outerworld beings. 1/ Oh just a slave mining race
2/ Oh !@#$ its a production planet for immortal soldiers

Which would be of more concurn to you? 1 or 2?

if you were a physical being, living in a solar system nearby with intersolar travel. You neither have A) and you neither Have B) infact, you don't have immortality at all.

How would you react to A or B as it develops? Would you act agressively to A? Or is B more of a threat?

You might be asking why would a trancended species come here, Well all things were living before they go through a technological process to change them. And when you go through this process you don't exactly have organs after because you leave all that behind, no bones no blood. How are you to reproduce? Other than by subcreation in other galaxies. You can't bring living beings such as flesh and blood like me and you outside our galaxy, the forces of intergalatic space dwarf the forces of interstellar space, the particles and effects would be dangerous. If you were to travel via black tunnels you would need to be composed of the same energy in order to travel through it particle by particle.

So really, Science and religion are enevitable together. As you said we strive to gain greater purpose. And so does the rest of the galaxy, this quadrant of galaxies and the overall universe as a whole.




posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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Do not really matter if humanity was created by the Annunaki as a slave race like the Sumerian texts say that we were, that the Christians Genesis is a modified version of from my point of view.

The container do not really matter that much it is what it is filled with that matters. But I do think that the sensors are a bit low effectiveness in a human body. And if we are talking about the third eye it is not very evolved in humans making even low level telepathy very hard to achieve. But then since we are conditioned to not use it, it is understandable that it would not be very effective.
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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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good responce what what i meant was our genetic code, its alterable so that we could change biologically to live in different climates. But beyond that, we have the ability to host viral genetics as well which can be used to alter other species through genetic warfare. We are pretty immune to many diseases and they mutate within the host populations, which can be used for genetic engineering or weapons which would work on biological beings.

the third eye is a mechanism used for dreaming. Its found in many mammals and is present in reptiles but is used differently.
Im sure there is some dream *magic* that is possible lol.

But the idea is that with our genetics being only 2 strands, you could add a third strand of what ever *hybrid* type human you want to be a solid triple helix.

So humans can be altered in many fasions but it requires the knowledge of the RNA sequences via proteins and other soon to be discovered methods. They are persuring immortality right now, Not in the sense of *trancended* but the prior codes left over by the species that is.

It's that code the world governments are after so that the elite can hide underground during the chaos and turmoil. They didn't build all those bunkers for nothing.

www.globalresearch.ca...
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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 10:41 PM
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So humans can be altered in many fasions but it requires the knowledge of the RNA sequences via proteins and other soon to be discovered methods. They are persuring immortality right now, Not in the sense of *trancended* but the prior codes left over by the species that is.

It's that code the world governments are after so that the elite can hide underground during the chaos and turmoil. They didn't build all those bunkers for nothing.


Might work for the elites in the short term but sooner or later whatever they do the will after a while die and face what they have done. Normally there is no real hurry. If they wanna live a couple of million years in whatever container they create then let the fools do it.

About depopulation. Not sure if the chosen will allow that. Maybe, maybe not. Depends on if this place is supposed to de evolve or evolve. It is either create a good stable place for all or de evolve. We will have to see what humanity have learned collectively.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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They still tell us that comets are "dirty snowballs" not giant chunks of space rock.



There is no scientific proof though

Mass spectronomy has shown water in the tails and comas of comets as they approach the sun and heat up and become visible.

The probe "Stardust" found water, too.



We dont even understand how the planet we can see and touch works completely and scientists have the UNIVERSE figured out?

Scientist admit they don't know things all the time.

Why do experiments and send probes or continually research if they actually claim to have the universe figured out?
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posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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Thank goodness you figured it out for all of us, your highly evolved mind has saved the human race so much trouble. Now please go through out the earth explaining your knowledge on how you know for a fact 100% there is no possible way that there isn't a monotheistic god that created us all. I am glad that in your fraction of the "emergence" that human beings have been on this earth you have been able to figure this out for humanity. Who's being dogmatic now?

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posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 01:50 PM
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Thank goodness you figured it out for all of us, your highly evolved mind has saved the human race so much trouble. Now please go through out the earth explaining your knowledge on how you know for a fact 100% there is no possible way that there isn't a monotheistic god that created us all. I am glad that in your fraction of the "emergence" that human beings have been on this earth you have been able to figure this out for humanity. Who's being dogmatic now?

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You know how it goes, you are claiming the existence of something, then bring the evidence. Give me a philosophical argument and we can start from there.

There are thousands of different tales of how the universe came to be. Are we to believe that all of them are true at the same time, since they all are equally provable/unprovable ? What about the spaghetti monster, what about the giant turtle, etc.. ?



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 02:46 PM
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gosseyn

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Thank goodness you figured it out for all of us, your highly evolved mind has saved the human race so much trouble. Now please go through out the earth explaining your knowledge on how you know for a fact 100% there is no possible way that there isn't a monotheistic god that created us all. I am glad that in your fraction of the "emergence" that human beings have been on this earth you have been able to figure this out for humanity. Who's being dogmatic now?

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You know how it goes, you are claiming the existence of something, then bring the evidence. Give me a philosophical argument and we can start from there.

There are thousands of different tales of how the universe came to be. Are we to believe that all of them are true at the same time, since they all are equally provable/unprovable ? What about the spaghetti monster, what about the giant turtle, etc.. ?


No where in my post did I personally claim anything. Your the one who claimed something. You said "there is no god like described in the big monotheistic religions" but then you also say "Where did I say it leaves no room for a god" so basically you believe there can be a god but for some reason it can't be certain gods. So your using zero proof in something to prove zero proof for your own agenda.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 03:46 PM
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just because you don't have some magical all encompassing single entity consisting of the entire expanse of the universe does not mean there is no god.

A god by definition is a supernatural being with creation abilities.
Just happens Yahweh claims he is the most supreme of these *Gods* AKA the christian god =Yahweh.

Up to the old testament, Phalms, amos, isaiah, job. The dominant god in that time was Yahweh. And he had to be carried around lol in a hidden cart cloaked by shadow.

He can also hop on a cheribram or a sepherium and fly to any place, Is that omnipresence? Unno by some definition you could technically travel around the globe in wirling speeds, pun intended.


so just because the skies dosn't have a huge fat head watching every single one of us does not mean that the human race was not created by another being.
Anything that made us would be considered creators, and if they were gods than they would be creator gods. Which we do label mythic characters with such qualities.

God
gäd/
noun
noun: God; noun: god; plural noun: gods; plural noun: the gods

1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
synonyms: the Lord, the Almighty, the Creator, the Maker, the Godhead; More
Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh;
(God) the Father, (God) the Son, the Holy Ghost/Spirit, the Holy Trinity;
the Great Spirit, Gitchi Manitou;
humorousthe Man Upstairs
"a gift from God"
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
"a moon god"
synonyms: deity, goddess, divine being, celestial being, divinity, immortal, avatar More
"sacrifices to appease the gods"
an image, idol, animal, or other object worshiped as divine or symbolizing a god.
synonyms: idol, graven image, icon, totem, talisman, fetish, juju More
"wooden gods"
used as a conventional personification of fate.
"he dialed the number and, the gods relenting, got through at once"
3.
an adored, admired, or influential person.
"he has little time for the fashion victims for whom he is a god"
a thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god.
"don't make money your god"
4.
informal
the gallery in a theater.

exclamation
exclamation: God

1.
used for emphasis or to express emotions such as surprise, anger, or distress.
"God, what did I do to deserve this?"



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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Nothing in your Post has anything to do with what i said, In what way do either of your examples of the Hebrew god explain anything?

in your first example you state "he had to be carried around lol in a hidden cart cloaked by shadow" can you give me the verse that states this? All I could find were 1 Samuel 4:4 and 2 Samuel 6:2 which just state that the Hebrew god sat between the two cheribum

your second example i guess is trying to downplay the Hebrew gods power, but I don't see how him flying on a cheribum destroys his omnipresence, because a physical form is seen means he also can't be everywhere? If the Hebrew God is claimed to have made the entire universe how hard would it be for him to make a vessel and fly around in it but not have that be all of him.

what I asked was why is it impossible for monotheistic gods to exist?



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 02:42 PM
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Still waiting for my answer.
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posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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bigcountry08

gosseyn

bigcountry08
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Thank goodness you figured it out for all of us, your highly evolved mind has saved the human race so much trouble. Now please go through out the earth explaining your knowledge on how you know for a fact 100% there is no possible way that there isn't a monotheistic god that created us all. I am glad that in your fraction of the "emergence" that human beings have been on this earth you have been able to figure this out for humanity. Who's being dogmatic now?

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You know how it goes, you are claiming the existence of something, then bring the evidence. Give me a philosophical argument and we can start from there.

There are thousands of different tales of how the universe came to be. Are we to believe that all of them are true at the same time, since they all are equally provable/unprovable ? What about the spaghetti monster, what about the giant turtle, etc.. ?


No where in my post did I personally claim anything. Your the one who claimed something. You said "there is no god like described in the big monotheistic religions" but then you also say "Where did I say it leaves no room for a god" so basically you believe there can be a god but for some reason it can't be certain gods. So your using zero proof in something to prove zero proof for your own agenda.


Have you read the part in the OP where I talk about the emergence of morals under bio-psycho-socio pressures ? And also the fact that nearly every religious concept is unnatural and is nowhere to be found in our universe ?



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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You imagine a video game created to be like a dream in that the whole entire existence of both realms are created by thought and manifest by light/darkness ie pixels created by a projector biological or computer.

Doesn't matter it's doing the exact samething.

Then you have to imagine that the intelligence of the bad guy constantly dying over and over throughout the game has to be in pure hell!



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 03:22 PM
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Just wondering,

why are you posting full albums by musicians to make your point??



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 04:26 PM
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The fact that nearly every religious concept is unnatural and is nowhere to be found in our universe

Really ??? lol you/science have been to every corner of our universe and know for a FACT (your words) that "nearly every" religion has been proven to be unnatural/ false. Man the amount of knowledge you hold is astounding if you know this for a FACT then can you tell us since you've been everywhere in the universe if black holes are real or are is there life anywhere else in our universe?

Besides what makes "nearly every religious concept" unnatural, the fact that science can't explain a part of the event. All that says is science might not have reached that level yet or that our theory is wrong. As you said in an earlier post "science is an ongoing process" theories change all the time, I just read a article the other day that said black holes aren't black anymore there brown. Humans are an "emergence" technologically speaking we have only been around for about 100 years and you think with that amount of time we have figured it all out?

"bio-psycho-socio pressures" yes I read that what do you mean by " morals don't come from god"? are you trying to say people think morals are ingrained in us from a god?



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 04:55 PM
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Another way to find truth is to eliminate what doesn't make any sense. Not all answers can be true at the same time. I am an agnostic and I give to any current religion 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
000001 probabilistic chances to be the truth.



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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and whats the probability that life just randomly happened?

and what equation did you use to come up with your number?



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 05:34 PM
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Well, what probabilistic chances do you give to each of the following propositions :
- The universe is a giant toothbrush with specific colors.
- All the universe is built for turtles and around turtles, in fact our universe is localised on the back of a giant turtle.
- Our universe equals to 42.
- God works in a office and uses Windows95 OEM to keep track of all things.
- There is no god, every universe is contained within another universe, to infinity.
- There exist only 6 universes, in each one of them chocolate tastes different.
- ...



posted on Apr, 15 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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hey all I'm saying is you keep spewing out "facts" but when we just peel back one layer it turns out there's nothing to back up your statement and your just going on your opinion. I don't need to prove anything because i haven't stated anything.



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