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OK, then how do you account for this?
You know my home town of liverpool as flattened in the blitze . . .
Could the same thing be said about the major cities of Germany?
Liverpool is noted for its rich architectural heritage and is home to many buildings regarded as amongst the greatest examples of their respective styles in the world.
Those things were actually exacerbated by the US and UK, so it doesn't support your general thesis that the English are good and that Germans are bad.
What of the mass murders carried out in the former yugoslavian federation, are you going to say they did not happen, or pol pot in cambodia or Ruwanda, or the beheading of christians in the middle east, how many innocent people have to die and be denied to justify whatever that motive may be to conceal there deaths and claim it never happened.
There is a well known case of one of these mass graves that was said was the Germans killing Polish prisoners of war, but on examination was found to have been done by the Soviets.
so many mass graves exist near them some still not opened to this day, others litter forrests throughout the nazi occupied territorys' . . .
Why would they go to the trouble of shaving their heads to then just kill them?
. . . shave the head's of the woman and send them and the man and children for a Shower which was actually a shower head through which the gas was administered.
I was countering your claim of group guilt of the German People for supposed crimes because of their electing the person who they did as chancellor.
But we are not here to talk about liverpool but the idiotic and insulting claim that the Nazi's never commited the crime's they did . . .
I would guess more in WW I, an act of British adventurism, maybe in connection to the latent claim of ownership of France that goes back to the Normans.
. . . one whose family lost many members in both world war's . . .
Like I said, it was a legitimate military target, something you should expect to have happen when you declare war on another country with the ability to fight back, which is why Britain now only goes to war against countries without the ability to strike back at their own country.
. . . it was the main dock for the American supply's and the Reich new this so they launched thousands of sorty's over liverpool to try to knock it out . . .
Blame Truman's cronies for that, not the Germans.
. . . OUR MONEY was used in the marshall plan to build up west germany and Japan after the war, Our people remained on rations until the 1950's . . .
Does that make you feel good? If so, right there is a motivation to accept the propaganda as truth, to justify this hatred and desire for vengeance that you know is wrong (at least by Christian standards).
My mother pointed out that they had bombed our city into ruin but we had flattened them.
Which was where the munitions factories were.
Two place's that got it worse than liverpool were the East end of london and Coventry but all the major city's of Britain were bombed and birmingham got it just as bad . . .
They were doing the same sort of thing in Germany to help the communist Soviets invade.
my nan had taken in a lodger whom was a jewish gentleman but had been subverted by threats to his family and he was opening the loft window and shining a light up for the germans to guide them . . .
Do you think that you should feel guilty if they had?
he was taken away and dealt with, most probably shot for espionage but I don't know.
I'm just a serious history buff and learned things in history books.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA but whomever brainwashed you into believeing that crap . . .
For thought crimes? Aren't you afraid that you might be sending your country down the road to fascism?
need's prison or serious re education . . .
Do you think that you should feel guilty personally if they were war criminals who shot surrendering Germans who threw down their weapons and were waving a white flag?
Another old man whom lived down south and faught in the war but later moved to liverpool once told my mother that the German's had been here, he claimed that he had seen them and they had landed on the shore but the old men from the first world war whom because of there age had been prohibited from joining up were waiting for them in underground bunkers and not one german got away alive . . .
To deny ignorance.
. . . whatever your agenda is . . .
There was a political party that Hitler belonged to which was the Nation Socialist Worker's Party.
SO what it NAZIsm, well it was based on a belief not simply in nationalism but that a mythical ancestry of superior humans existed and in the upper rank's of german society there more pure descendant's existed while the bottom ranks' were only fit for worker status and non germans were totally inferior fit for enslavement only, in time it would have degenerated into a cast system very much like that in the hindu religion of the indian sub continent and so it is even more perplexing that the ones whom seek to champion it the most are they whom would have been relegated to subserviant casts in the ensuing society.
That was alive and well in the US with the genocide of the native Indians and the laws discriminating against Blacks.
first of all it was in the victorian England that the ideology later adopted by the Nazi party had been formulated and that included the theory of eugenic's as well as racial superiority
Like what, Singapore and Hong Kong vs. the Philippines and Pacific island and maybe Vietnam?
as you know or may know England was at times at loggerhead's with certain interests in the US and both sides prepared for a possible war as american interests started to encroach upon the british empire, indeed Hitler firmly believe England would go to war and had plans to come in one England's side
I once owned a Mouser rifle that was made in Turkey in 1915. The ones you are talking about were payed for by the Allies.
oddly the Nazi party feared Italy at first as they did not want italy to grow too strong so during the abasynian campaign of italy and there attempt to colonize east africa Hitler had tens of thousands of Mouser rifles and ammunition shipped to the Ethiopian and Eritrean fighters whom were resisting the Italian's, they were better armed than the Italians and so the Italian venture failed dismally.
Hitler was in the first world war where he was wounded. He hated it, and didn't want war. It was much later in his leadership that he was pushed into war by England and France declaring war on Germany.
Hitler believed for a people to remain strong they must have regular wars and one of his long term plans included leaving part's unconquered so that new wars could be used to hone the German people over generation's.
The Germans were sending Jews down the Danube from the Munich area in boats that they didn't exactly care if they ever got back. The British were who was preventing it and sending them back.
Some of the early suggested plans for the Jews included shipping them to palestine but this was later ditched as it would not be cost effective and during a infamous meeting the so called final solution was agreed upon, now we all KNOW what that entailed.
I would be suspicious of any claim that the German army was doing the killing.
The Ukrainian right wing and Russian neo nazi movements blind themselves willfully to the simple fact Hitler saw them as the enemy and wanted to exterminate them also in time, indeed when the german's rolled into the ukrain they were greeted as heroic liberators by the people who hated the soviet's but that soon changed for many of them when the killing's began.
There was a special unit that was highly mobile and was filled with Germany's elite, who they knew were likely to be completely killed off before the war was over. They wanted to allow the opportunity to continue those person's blood lines, so they put the call out to young women to volunteer to mate with them while they were yet living. What you are reciting is a propaganda version spun to make it look sinister.
He wanted to created a rolling fertile grain harvesting bread basket populated by german's and sometimes a girl was selected if the eugenics specialists determined she was aryan then sent to breeding camps were they were forced to mate with selected german officers in order to created aryan offspring . . .
Which in itself should be sufficient to make a normal thinking person to not believe the propaganda that you so readily consume without question.
even though hitler himself was dark haired it was a trait the eugenics ideology regarded as inferior.
Where is the documentation that Germany did anything along those lines beyond what the UK or the US was doing at the same time.
All the slow or mentally challenged kids were put to sleep in germany under the euthenasia law's as well as many disabled.
They wanted a perfect race . . .
That is just so much conjecture.
If they had won then after the war there eugenics program and sterilization of inferior german stock would have taken place . . .
I doubt that he was elected, or that the people voting foresaw his coming into power as a result of their vote.
Heidrich was the more dangerous as if he had lived long enough he would likely have deposed hitler when his palsy and mental irrationality became apparent in late 43 early 44 as well as being a more intelligent but foolhardy person with less regard for his own safety (thankfully as it led to his death).
All that is pretty sketchy and un-provable. I wouldn't lend any credence to any of it and would mark it down as war-time propaganda.
Rommel the desert fox was a man of honour and not a Nazi but a regular german army general, he could see the writing on the wall for germany and they tried to kill the mad dog to save there country as if they had then with the exception of Russia they may have been able to negotiate terms with the west at that time from a position of strength.
Germany to this day is an occupied country and does whatever its Zionist masters order.
but what about the germans whom have admitted it and try'd to teach there kids about this evil.
Have you ever considered the possibility that you could be brain washed yourself?
But no some people can never accept when they are wrong even when it is obvious so I am tired to this I have the last hit game and am going to ignore you now bye bye.
I'm sure there were in the second world war too.Hitler gave a very important speach that the main stream media ignores, where he stated that "it doesn't matter what race or religion you are, we are all Germans."
(Whom was a patriotic German like the many jew's whom died fighting for germany in the first world war)
So this is your version of proof, that you really, really believe it?
Now back to the point in question, the holocaust did happen and the Chronicles of Zion are fraudulent . . .
Which never would have happened if the so-called Allies did not start the war under the utter psychopaths, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin.
(or at least I hope they are but even if they are) they never justified what happened to millions of people in the camps or the tens of millions of other people killed in the needless hostility's of war.
Who are you calling "the Jew's" ?
Historically germany had suffered a terrible injustice at the treaty of versai but the Jew's had nothing to do with it and indeed they were merely used as a scapegoat to rile up the german people and give them a target for there anger . . .
This is a subjective assessment.
Hitler hated them because he had worked on a few wealthy jewish family homes and seen them in prosperity while germans starved but what of the poor jew's and the wealthy germans, did he even think about it or only what he wanted you to think.