The state of Socialism… Denmark sells out of staple goods to investment banks.

I have the pleasure or… should I say growing dis-pleasure of living in the "happiest" nation in the world, Denmark.

We have several times been marked as a good example of how wellfare can work in a healthy way in cooperation with capitalism.
However as we near the point in time where the largest generation of people and therefore the largest amount of tax payers will hit retirement age, the pressure on the Danish holy grail "wellfare" is increasing.

First let me tell you who I am and therefore where these words are coming from.

Today, I am a-political. I have no faith in either side and no faith in democracy as in it migth hold the answer to the troubles of the people. I used to be a socialist democrat. A party that used to lie somewhat on the left side of the middle.
But in the last 5 years or so, something has happened in Denmark…. the socialist democrats have been infested with people who seem to promote capitalist biased policies instead of socialist ones. The weirdest thing is that everyone is complaining about it but noone is doing anything.
Our current minister of finance, socialist democrat Bjarne Corydon, is one of the bluest democrats I have ever seen.
His approach to the tax money of the Danish people appears to flow more towards the business of big business than what would be considered good for the Danish people, and so came the first big mistake….

"We" sold the stock majority of our state owned energy company DONG to Goldmann Sachs…. at much lower price than they were worth. The Danish people were outraged and we actually managed to collect over 100.000 signatures against the sale (Demark has a total of 5 mil. people, including those under voting age), but our minister of finance litterally didn't care.

The rallies died out… always good to put deadlines in winter since noone will picket during winter.

Then lately we sold out on the company NETS, who is the one that controls all our money transactions with cards and online banking. Sold to investments bankers….

AND NOW…. the social democrats are discussing if we should sell out our stately owned drinkwater supplies.
This is something that fx. Germany found out was a bad bad idea because in the end it meant that the population had to pay more for their water than when it was in public hands.

So as you can see, the joys of living in a wellfunctioning socialist state is toppled by the greediness of capitalism… it will not end here. I hear silent whispers from here and there that the next thing after this is our educational system which would seize to be stately subsidised in the same way as it is now.
This would create a whole new lower class because a lot of talented and well meaning kids will be unanble to fund their education.

Why am I writing this?

Well because I think the Danish government is out of order and needs to be taken down and replaced with someone who wants to do the best for the people.

I have the same pleasure. Living in the happiest nation on earth. Man, they were lucky when they did that poll and got the happiest people on the phone.

Our country is full of hypocrites. More and more people help themselves before they help others. More and more bureaucracy in this country makes the people question the authorities and the people in power. Makes them question whether or not the people in control really has lost control instead.

But, I am here to tell you, my friend: It has only just begun. The government in Denmark can't do diddely, and won't do a darn thing to stop the train of poverty washing in over our borders. Every country in the EU must have the same rules for salary, pension, health care, etc. It has been written in stone a long time ago.

The only ones that aren't aware of the plans is the people. If they told us the real plan and what we we are actually helping putting to effect, we wouldn't lift a finger. That's why they don't tell us.

You know as well as I, that in Denmark we voted no to the EU. The politicians said: "Oh, the people don't know what they are saying no to. Let's vote again." And that is to me the number one smoking gun that we don't have a say in this.

I see a long hard road ahead of us. The first step would be to dismember ourselves from the EU. Maybe step two would be the making of a scandinavian trade union instead, only pertaining trade and transport. Then we could, instead of competing with the rest of the EU on minimum wages, compete with the world on our quality. People can still have a high income if the product is of good quality and design.

Right now it seems as though we are selling everything, like there is no tomorrow. And all the letters that I have sent to the PM and other top politicians has not been answered. I want the truth, and I don't feel that we are being served the truth.

I can only urge you to do the same. Let's at least make sure that they know we are watching.

reply to post by flice


I feel for you, I truly do.
Same thing is happening across Europe and even in the US.
In the UK the Labour party have always been a socialist left leaning party but now all parties seem to be fighting over the centre ground.
The Liberal Democrats were also very left leaning and are now aligning, like Labour, with big business.

There is a radical transformation happening in politics it seems where most of the social/liberal parties are allying with businesses and also moving ever more to the centre, almost afraid to be socialist or left wing any more, severing ties with unions and building new ties with businesses and corporations.

Is it infiltration or have they been bought? Is it now considered to risky for political parties to be too left wing or right wing?


The UK government have also sold off many state run services and companies, profitable ones too, and are looking to privatise more and more, which will of course be detrimental to the people of the UK

Also all of the Gold reserves were sold off at a huge loss and the postal service sold at a cut price.
All to give the politicians and their buddies a good deal and to make a quick buck

It seems that all the governments of the world are working towards selling everything out to the highest bidder for much less than it is worth, or much more then it's worth.

It's happening all over the place, in some fashion or another. It's down-right disturbing.

What is the end-goal tho, thats what I want to know.

Is it to turn us all into serfs paying the central banks for our air, water, and life?

Or is it the only way the governments can continue to keep functioning in some capacity, by selling off everything to get the next money-fix for pork-barrel spending?

Either way, it sounds like the people are being sold up the river, and the oars were the first thing sold.

No one will much mind tho, as long as the bread and circuses continue; Once they stop tho, lookout!.

Tick.... tick......

reply to post by flice


Welcome to the EU.

Doesn't matter if you buy into the idea of left vs. right, call it socialism or capitalism (it's neither)... what you're witnessing is the take-over of our nations by syndicalist centralists.
The oligarchs inevitably corrupt and swallow each and every system that is in it self corruptable.

Get used to it, or rise up and tear down the rotten edifice that is the EU.

reply to post by JoeSignal

JoeSignal
Every country in the EU must have the same rules for salary, pension, health care, etc. It has been written in stone a long time ago.
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You know as well as I, that in Denmark we voted no to the EU. The politicians said: "Oh, the people don't know what they are saying no to. Let's vote again." And that is to me the number one smoking gun that we don't have a say in this.

I see a long hard road ahead of us. The first step would be to dismember ourselves from the EU.

Agreed 100%

It's funny that I keep reading and hearing this exact stance from every corner of our precious European Union.
Maybe we will truly unite one day... against the EU.

For our freedoms and our future, and for our beautiful diversity in our respective independent nations.

reply to post by flice


This 2-party political system that the Banksters and their bitches have created, developed and honed over the past 100+ years in various western countries is a scourge on the development of our civilization as a whole species.

It's effect is all encompassing, from food to war, and everything inbetween - we are at the mercy of a few selected bloodlines who have a global agenda......that was in effect before any of us were alive.

Today, Denmark, amongst other countries that sport a 2-party train-wreck of a political system, is the proving ground and a complacent general public within this political system that is more interested in TV programs than their own lives is one reason we may be fluxed - as a species.

Banksters, Big Oil, Big Pharma.......Big Brother.

And hence the saying "There is something rotten in Denmark"

As a fellow Dane, i agree with you, that selling out our most valuable assets to obscure bankers is beyond stupidity.
If the majority of people knew a few facts from the company Goldman Sachs, scrutinizing the deal, there would be wild demonstrations i'm sure. Possibly not accomplishing anything, but it would show the roar from the people. Then the politicians would just re-wrap the deal, and try sell it to the people .. again, as they did with the elections for membership in the EU.

There is a growing phenomena in Denmark about livelihood-politicians. After recent elections, many politicians that got voted in on a specific political party, changed to a competing or different political party, right after the election. This truely shows what kinda scumbags they really are.
Still, people vote for them? I call this ignorance.

The Danish politicians are selling out of our old kingdom, to sweeten their own lives briefly. Future generations will look back on, and wonder.. why?

Also note that Danish spin-doctoring is some of the best in the world. They can spin every story to make it look like they are heroes. The media-training for these politicians are sadly world-class. Which we all can see on the "news", when they cleverly dodge tough questions, spinning the question into something completely different, and then answer like a pro. Its amazing they get away with it! And most Danes are oblivious about this. People in Denmark are slowly turning into a zombie-state. The weekly tv-show X-factor draw many people, and hey, its nice to have some fun on a friday night and making a fool out of yourself. But damn.. the next 3-4 days, most newspaper headlines are about this stupid show. Who sang what, someone fell, and another one was caught smoking, and so on... ridicules irrelevant info - keeping the masses in the dark.

When i talk to people about current world events, most don't have a clue. But they sure as hell knows the last 26 winners from the tv-show, or how many times their favorite soccer-team scored a goal.

That's pretty much the system, it's the same thing everywhere, taking over the world by storm. And it happens to work.

I hope you don't fall into the idea that there is a future elsewhere, that it is better somewhere else, the truth is it CAN be better, but it doesn't mean that it's still good. The system is falling apart, all hopes and dreams for a nice life on this planet should be thrown to the rubbish. And i'm not being negative, vice-versa, i'm seeing that we shouldn't raise hopes and dreams because they are illusive. We should then focus on reality, which happens now, and seek towards changing it now, instead of remaining docile and try to work it every man for himself like we have been trained to.

There is no future, unless we act. This should be clarified to all people seeking a good life. We have to evolve and the government is simply not going to help us doing it because by evolving it means the end of itself.

It's a world wide problem, tell me a country where politicians DONT help themselves before the people they are supposed to be helping.

It's all about feathering their own nests with these parasites. 4/5 years in power they can make millions, sometimes tens of millions then they are off to sunnier climes laughing at the rest of the plebs who voted them in in the first place.

reply to post by flice


Hello "Happiest" Nation! I'm from the "Luckiest" - ugh.

I'm sure its not just Denmark, this has (relatively) just begun in Australia too. I don't see it as just a political pole shift though, to me looking at how fast it started here and how complete it is, its been a complete pole reversal. Within a very short time frame, what are now previous national interest policies, philosophies and sociologies have completely been thrown out the windows and have been replaced with nonsensical even absurd social policy and fiscal policies that a two year old could easily interpret as 'stupid' and anti-civillian.
I've sat here watching for about 5 years as its most recent form 'austerity' has swept around the world like a wave. Watching it and living it are two different animals. It's quite scary to see your social importance and value as a citizen, your civil power simply brushed aside this way and so arrogantly.

I knew it was coming, I didn't realize how fast and how little resistance there would be to it from otherwise rational people. I saw there was a lead up, quiet and almost hidden, fore-shocks of subtle shifts in ideology that no one questioned and even though we felt 'bad' and knew something was up, no one could quite put their finger on what was going on. These shifts turned into policies and seemed to incrementally grow and here at least, 'suddenly' burst out in the open with the election of a new government/during a period of 'natural' change. We have *literally* turned back the clock to the 1950's here socially and politically speaking - in under 6 months! It really does seem to me those who were previously in relative passive pursuit of a NWO have unlocked their restraints and just 'done it'....

So I dont think political ideology of particular parties in government even matters anymore. No matter who you vote in next, or how many die in revolution for change, "it's" been done. This corporate takeover of social power systems or whatever it is going on, goes beyond just literally buying up energy resources, it's buying up intangible resources as well, like political and belief systems and other forms of power and social control. The curtain has been torn off the theater wall.

Seems we've all had a shift in government...just upwards/downwards, not across ways where we had a say in it. Politicians en mass seem to be bending to a new and more powerful will than even party obligations can elicit. I used to watch Argentina's then Greece's fiscal strife in sadness for them, now I see it's the same everywhere, its happening everywhere, just differently in each nation according to their social triggers. It's weird, an ideologically based capitalist led amoral paradigm shift that's happened right under our noses....and we had no vote in it....no say whatsoever.

I think its too early to tell which politicians were already on side, how many went willingly who catapulted and which stood up for us ( civil society) all I know is that it doesn't seem to matter anymore. They know we know that they know we know we're f*cked. They set the trap in 2005...seems to have sprung nicely for them, so far.



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ColCurious
The oligarchs inevitably corrupt and swallow each and every system that is in it self corruptable.

Get used to it, or rise up and tear down the rotten edifice that is the EU.

It appears to be a species-wide fault that waving enough money in front of national politicians can net you the privilege of buying a country's infrastructure at fire-sale prices. I take it that you've heard about the secret Vatican bank accounts uncovered for US politicians?(1) Want to bet something similar is occurring where you live that explains all this baffling behavior?

Tearing down the EU will not stop this seriously evil transformation. The cancer that is the Central Bankers and Wall Street would simply morph and attack from another direction. I would suggest that we need a serious insecticide for a serious infestation. The French employed a novel device to take care of another parasite a long time ago. Madame la Guillotine.



(1) www.dailypaul.com...

reply to post by juspassinthru

juspassinthru
It appears to be a species-wide fault that waving enough money in front of national politicians can net you the privilege of buying a country's infrastructure at fire-sale prices.

Waving money in front of politicians can get you everything they can sell.

juspassinthru
Tearing down the EU will not stop this seriously evil transformation.

No it won't. But giving the EU more power (in other words: their politicians more to sell) will not either.
The opposite is the right direction.

What you are describing as capitalism can also be described as socialism--the State owns everything. You just don't realize that the International bankers are the State.

Free market capitalism with laws against predatory monopolies, and against private ownership of central banks, and taxation which rewards production and not sloth, would be the best of all possible worlds. But to get there again against the power of the bankers/TPTB appears essentially impossible.

Sometimes I cannot believe how "we the people" are played. Let me enlighten you all. Whether you like it or not ALL of the inside players and buyers of your national goodies (whether land, food, water or power grids) are multi- national. They are global, universal. So no matter how you bleat about taking back your national identities (stop the EU, fight the international trade treaties) you are on the losing train. There is only one way to fight this insistent take over of national assets is to fight it globally, internationally. How to do that is beyond me, but make no mistake no-one can fight this by being insular or believing you can survive if you take the power and become nationalistic. The people behind this would only pick each country off one by one. I sincerely hate to say it but the first major step should be a single global currency. Do not be afraid but think what these multiple currencies are doing to you. First it allows people with money to promote countries or bankrupt countries(think of George Soros nearly bankrupting the UK) this allows them to dictate to your governments. Job done, castrated governments. Everywhere in the world(no matter what political persuasion) people make billions off your backs by buying Yen, selling Yen, buying Dollars, selling Dollars, buying Euros(get the message) and producing absolutely NOTHING. Take that power off them. don't believe the boogie man that's waved in front of you. Wait for it. Wooooo, The New World Order. It's already here. Who do you think is orchestrating all the power shifting. Got an answer for it? Sorry not me.

Sounds like the bankers use the same hair from the same dog that bit the first victim.

The international banking system is based on (at least) one of those Marx 10-planks ideas.

Brilliant strategy indeed.

$ocialism = Bankerism

it's not a radical transformation. it's always been capitalist based. communism and socialism are run by capitalists and always have been. the difference is only a few are allowed to benefit from the capitalism in a communist or socialist system. what's happening is, they are finally disposing with the need to hide this factoid.

here ya go


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flice
I have the pleasure or… should I say growing dis-pleasure of living in the "happiest" nation in the world, Denmark.

We have several times been marked as a good example of how wellfare can work in a healthy way in cooperation with capitalism.
However as we near the point in time where the largest generation of people and therefore the largest amount of tax payers will hit retirement age, the pressure on the Danish holy grail "wellfare" is increasing.

First let me tell you who I am and therefore where these words are coming from.

Today, I am a-political. I have no faith in either side and no faith in democracy as in it migth hold the answer to the troubles of the people. I used to be a socialist democrat. A party that used to lie somewhat on the left side of the middle.
But in the last 5 years or so, something has happened in Denmark…. the socialist democrats have been infested with people who seem to promote capitalist biased policies instead of socialist ones. The weirdest thing is that everyone is complaining about it but noone is doing anything.
Our current minister of finance, socialist democrat Bjarne Corydon, is one of the bluest democrats I have ever seen.
His approach to the tax money of the Danish people appears to flow more towards the business of big business than what would be considered good for the Danish people, and so came the first big mistake….

"We" sold the stock majority of our state owned energy company DONG to Goldmann Sachs…. at much lower price than they were worth. The Danish people were outraged and we actually managed to collect over 100.000 signatures against the sale (Demark has a total of 5 mil. people, including those under voting age), but our minister of finance litterally didn't care.

The rallies died out… always good to put deadlines in winter since noone will picket during winter.

Then lately we sold out on the company NETS, who is the one that controls all our money transactions with cards and online banking. Sold to investments bankers….

AND NOW…. the social democrats are discussing if we should sell out our stately owned drinkwater supplies.
This is something that fx. Germany found out was a bad bad idea because in the end it meant that the population had to pay more for their water than when it was in public hands.

So as you can see, the joys of living in a wellfunctioning socialist state is toppled by the greediness of capitalism… it will not end here. I hear silent whispers from here and there that the next thing after this is our educational system which would seize to be stately subsidised in the same way as it is now.
This would create a whole new lower class because a lot of talented and well meaning kids will be unanble to fund their education.

Why am I writing this?

Well because I think the Danish government is out of order and needs to be taken down and replaced with someone who wants to do the best for the people.

Sounds like you guys have American Republicans running things!

Let them take over and they will make sure nothing is done for the people unless they have a company or they are rich.

Next, eliminate welfare and minimum wage, then defer all tax returns to the rich, be like America!

reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge


in the historical application of socialism and communism, the people were never the ultimate beneficiaries. the people were used as a means of driving mom and pop businesses into bankruptcy so that more and more would become dependent on centralized government, which is owned lock stock and barrel by a handful of globalist capitalists. so it isn't about repub or democrat, it's about globalists who get richer by fomenting socialist and communist revolutions in target countries. that some of the globalists are also repubs or democrats, is irrelevant, since the real issue is the globalists.

I wonder if Greece and Iceland did this sort of thing when they realized they were running out of money.