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DJW001
OpinionatedB
reply to post by DJW001
I disagree. The criminals are no more militarized than they ever were. If we didn't need any militarization of the police back when we had Hoffa and the rest of the big time mafia then why do we need it now?
edit on 14-4-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)
The FBI didn't even acknowledge the existence of the Mafia until the 1960s. Please read up on the history of crime in America. Check out what happened to John Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde and other violent criminals. The police have always fought fire with fire. All that has changed is that they are getting better trained as they adopt newer and more powerful equipment. This is happening in response to highly armed criminal gangs that received their weapons training in the military.
projectvxn
DJW001
reply to post by projectvxn
And what is up with the ROZ? You only set up a ROZ if you're going to have danger to aircraft as a result of fire missions, bombs dropped, air assaults, or you have drones on station.
Answer: They have drones on station.
Phantom423
reply to post by projectvxn
That said, there's no doubt in my mind that Homeland Security has been authorized by the Feds to militarize their defenses. This has to include local and state police because without their cooperation, any action would be unenforceable.
Bundy violated a standing statute. There's no doubt about that. But that's not the issue. The issue is how the Federal Government via the BLM went about enforcing the court-ordered decision.
We have a developing police state in America. The concerning part is that there isn't any pushback in Washington. The Bundy model for enforcement may well become SOP.
If I may be allowed a comment from the other side of the fence...when you have all of these big, bad, right wing gun nuts throwing down challenges to the government...you can't really squawk when the Feds arrive at a potential showdown prepared to win, and win fast & hard.
originally posted by: projectvxn
reply to post by DJW001
Well I guess that justifies paramilitary action against him and his home then right?
...totally proving their point.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Except the big bad rightwing nuts arrived AFTER the feds did with their hardware.
Jeeez no...we barely 'speakee the Engee' up here...never mind read.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Let us not forget what state this incident took place in. But you wouldn't know anything about that would you?
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
Jeeez no...we barely 'speakee the Engee' up here...never mind read.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Let us not forget what state this incident took place in. But you wouldn't know anything about that would you?
Switch lenses for a moment, though, and you might appreciate my point. All I'm saying is careful what you ask for...spend years throwing down challenges at the Feds with your big bad popguns, you can't go crying if they actually sit up and take notice.
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
That rally and this rancher are two separate issues.
We're Americans. We reserve the right to warn the government of what the price of future trespasses can be.
What the BLM did on this ranchers land is exactly what we warned the feds about. They showed up with an army. So the militias showed up armed...This time.
The government having a monopoly on violence and information is what creates massacres like Ruby Ridge and Waco.
They were not so fortunate as to be able to run both the military operations they intended to perform nor the media narrative they attempted to create. The rancher didnt win..But the militias did.
I think a lack of control of the situation is what creates those scenarios. You say in your opening post..."When we do deliberate operations there are some basic things that are done: Control of the battle space: "
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
The government having a monopoly on violence and information is what creates massacres like Ruby Ridge and Waco.