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New tests say Jesus DID have a wife. There goes celibacy!

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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 08:25 AM
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Akragon
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The sin of Sodom wasn't homosexuality it was rape...

It wasn't a city of gay people despite what Christianity teaches... read about it for yourself... Homosexuality is not mentioned at all

The whole sodomy thing was fabricated by the church hundreds of years later because of their hatred of gay people



ROFL, do you think the early church didn't address this very issue? You mean Christians fabricated the Torah?

Rape of WHOM? Female strangers?

Rape of men by men is...........homosexual rape.

And then I ask you please, read the rest of the Bible for every instance the word Sodom is mentioned.

Christians didn't fabricate this...and what do you think qualifies as an exceeding sin? Throwing eggs at your neighbor's house?

Genesis 13:13
But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.


Did the Christians fabricate this one...clearly denoting it is a willing sexual act.


Deuteronomy 23:17
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.


While we might say we must still love gay people, do not misrepresent what the Bible does have to say about it. This is Torah, not fabricated by the Christians.




posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 08:39 AM
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I've always seen Sodom as one big 'lust pot' ... everyone lusting after everyone (and everything) else.
That's the feeling I got from reading the story about it. But who knows ....



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 08:43 AM
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@ FlyersFan

Obviously if there was more truth to teach, then it was OUTSIDE of the Israelite religion.
Otherwise, the Jews would have already known it and Jesus wouldn't have to be teaching it.

Yes. Which is why God had another religion appear to correct all the things that Christians got wrong. As the bible says, Jesus was a man. Not God. Eventually, the descendants of Jesus' disciples in the middle east converted to a monotheistic religion that spoke the truth about Jesus' nature as a HUMAN.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 09:03 AM
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sk0rpi0n

@ FlyersFan

Obviously if there was more truth to teach, then it was OUTSIDE of the Israelite religion.
Otherwise, the Jews would have already known it and Jesus wouldn't have to be teaching it.

Yes. Which is why God had another religion appear to correct all the things that Christians got wrong. As the bible says, Jesus was a man. Not God. Eventually, the descendants of Jesus' disciples in the middle east converted to a monotheistic religion that spoke the truth about Jesus' nature as a HUMAN.


From another man who had sex with whomever and whatever he wanted also?

What did he get right? Sure, he said there's one god, but which one god was that? The god that allows the leader of your religion to have sex with children and rape married women he takes captive and the incessant murders of people who disagreed with him? That's not getting it right, that's a man merely saying god allowed him to do it, therefore he does it.

So yours tells his followers that a god, which is what il ilah really means, allowed him to rape and murder. A god, and no one even questioned yours about whether or not it was devil or divine, but given the fact that rape and murder were crimes according to the God of Israel, then really, what do you suppose really was the god for Mohammed? Either it was the devil or it was Mohammed making up something, like Charles Manson did.

The laws of the OT dictated that your leader should have been stoned to death. The God of Israel is not the god of Mohammed and you know it, your imams know it and even your Mohammed knew it. There may have been "a god", but have you really questioned this "god" you follow?



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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@WarminIndy... Either it was the devil or it was Mohammed making up something,
A bunch of empty words. In reality, God allowed Islam to dominate the middle east...after uprooting the paganized religion called christianity. Christianity was booted out of the middle east for its sins of polytheism, blaspgemy and idolatry. Clearly God wants monotheism as practiced by Islam...not the polytheistic man-god worship being peddled by your religion.
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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 11:30 AM
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sk0rpi0n

@WarminIndy... Either it was the devil or it was Mohammed making up something,
A bunch of empty words. In reality, God allowed Islam to dominate the middle east...after uprooting the paganized religion called christianity. Christianity was booted out of the middle east for its sins of polytheism, blaspgemy and idolatry. Clearly God wants monotheism as practiced by Islam...not the polytheistic man-god worship being peddled by your religion.
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Again, which god? Have you questioned which god? Let's ask this god for some identity, shall we?

god of Islam, do you speak? No.

god of Islam, has Mohammed ever met you? No.

god of Islam, has Mohammed ever heard you? No.

god of Islam, did Mohammed have accountability from within a set of religious laws prior? No.

god of Islam, do you constantly change your mind when Mohammed wanted to justify his actions? Yes.

god of Islam, did Mohammed know the Torah that you gave to Moses? No.

god of Islam, did Mohammed know the Christian Bible? No.

god of Islam, do you have identity? No.

god of Islam, do you get mixed up in your memory of facts that you told the OT prophets, that Mohammed claimed to believe? Yes, you get very mixed up on simple facts.

god of Islam, do you know the history of the Torah and people in the Torah? No.

Listen, just because it is monotheistic means also that Mohammed believed a devil was his only god. I am going to have to conclude that the god of Islam isn't the same God of the Bible, because they have two different sets of words and commandments. Monotheism only means that you chose to believe an entity is god. If you can't question the entity you believe, because you aren't permitted to, then maybe the imams don't want you to know the truth about the god of Islam.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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WarminIndy

Akragon
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The sin of Sodom wasn't homosexuality it was rape...

It wasn't a city of gay people despite what Christianity teaches... read about it for yourself... Homosexuality is not mentioned at all

The whole sodomy thing was fabricated by the church hundreds of years later because of their hatred of gay people



ROFL, do you think the early church didn't address this very issue? You mean Christians fabricated the Torah?

Rape of WHOM? Female strangers?

Rape of men by men is...........homosexual rape.

And then I ask you please, read the rest of the Bible for every instance the word Sodom is mentioned.

Christians didn't fabricate this...and what do you think qualifies as an exceeding sin? Throwing eggs at your neighbor's house?

Genesis 13:13
But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.


Did the Christians fabricate this one...clearly denoting it is a willing sexual act.


Deuteronomy 23:17
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.


While we might say we must still love gay people, do not misrepresent what the Bible does have to say about it. This is Torah, not fabricated by the Christians.



SO as usual.... as a Christian you say that Homosexuality is far worse then any other sin... that's just tragic honestly

No where in the bible does it say that the sin of Sodom was being gay

The city wasn't infested with gay people as you'd like to believe... Again, read a bit of history on Sodom

Several early church fathers expounded on the sin of Sodom, it was exactly what flyersfan said, they lusted after each other...

Just because someone rapes someone else, be it another guy or a child or whatever... Rape is Rape, it doesn't mean said person is gay...

Rape is anything that is forced sexually on an unwilling person...

And YES the church fabricated the whole sodomy thing as meaning homosexual because they hated gay people...

There is a vast difference between being gay... and being a rapist... I hope you would know that


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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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sk0rpi0n
Which is why God had another religion appear to correct all the things that Christians got wrong.

Yeah .... God came down in 600AD and told a murdering caravan thief the secrets of the universe.
Sure. *major eye roll*


sk0rpi0n
God allowed Islam to dominate the middle east...after uprooting the paganized religion called christianity.

Paganized ... you mean like worshipping a meteor ... and practicing circumambulation around the meteor? And throwing rocks at devils and running between the hills? All are Idolatry Islamic practices taken directly from the pagans in the area.

Christianity was booted out of the middle east for its sins of polytheism, blaspgemy and idolatry.

As you well know, Christians believe in ONE GOD Who manifests Himself in three ways - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God. Three manifestations or aspects. As for idolatry and blasphemy .. look no further than Islam. If 'God' were trying to correct the alleged mistakes of Christianity .. he failed with Islam.
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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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@ WarminIndy....
Have you questioned which god?
The God of Abraham, who gave the law to Moses.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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@FlyersFan....
Christians believe in ONE GOD Who manifests Himself in three ways - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God.
Christians tell themselves they believe in One God. However, Father+son+holy spirit = THREE... therefore, Christianity is polytheism.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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sk0rpi0n

@ WarminIndy....
Have you questioned which god?
The God of Abraham, who gave the law to Moses.


Try again.

If it were the God of Israel, then you should be keeping SEDER tomorrow night. Are you?

I am. Oh wait, when God says He makes a perpetual covenant, that means He changes His mind about Mohammed, right? Please share with us the covenant you have with the God of Israel.

See, Abraham had a COVENANT with the God of Israel, Moses had a COVENANT with the God of Israel, David had a COVENANT with the God of Israel, and EVERY Christian has a COVENANT with the God of Israel through Jesus Christ and the shedding of His blood.

But since you think Mohammed was speaking about the same god, please share with us how Mohammed entered into a covenant with the God of Israel, seeing as how the God of Israel is a covenant making God. And tell us what Mohammed sacrificed in entering into the covenant.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 02:46 PM
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sk0rpi0n

@FlyersFan....
Christians believe in ONE GOD Who manifests Himself in three ways - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God.
Christians tell themselves they believe in One God. However, Father+son+holy spirit = THREE... therefore, Christianity is polytheism.


This is mere deflection.

Aren't you allowed to even question about the nature and essence of some entity you say you believe in?

Let's see, the Bible says "Seek me and you shall find me". But aren't you told that you can pray death and torment to non-Muslims but you can't seek god?



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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sk0rpi0n
Father+son+holy spirit = THREE... therefore, Christianity is polytheism.

ONE GOD ... three manifestations. You've been told that many times, but you refuse to acknowledge that. Perhaps you should refrain from trying to tell Christians what they believe ... you always get it wrong.


The topic ... the historical fiction of Jesus having a wife.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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FlyersFan

sk0rpi0n
Father+son+holy spirit = THREE... therefore, Christianity is polytheism.

ONE GOD ... three manifestations. You've been told that many times, but you refuse to acknowledge that. Perhaps you should refrain from trying to tell Christians what they believe ... you always get it wrong.


The topic ... the historical fiction of Jesus having a wife.


Yes, fiction.

And not even very good fiction at that, because they can't even agree on who she was. You would think that if He really were married, they would have known her name at least.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 01:31 AM
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WarminIndy

FlyersFan

sk0rpi0n
Father+son+holy spirit = THREE... therefore, Christianity is polytheism.

ONE GOD ... three manifestations. You've been told that many times, but you refuse to acknowledge that. Perhaps you should refrain from trying to tell Christians what they believe ... you always get it wrong.


The topic ... the historical fiction of Jesus having a wife.


Yes, fiction.
And not even very good fiction at that, because they can't even agree on who she was. You would think that if He really were married, they would have known her name at least.


Exactly...great reply WarminIndy.


The same for Our Lord's supposed brothers and sisters.

Mary is ever virgin, Our Lord had no siblings.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 02:29 PM
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He is right. I used to believe the same thing, in regards to the sin of Sodom being homosexuality. However, if we're honest with ourselves, we can come to the conclusion that it isn't mentioned anywhere. The Bible did mention elsewhere, though, what that sin was. It wasn't anything to do with them being gay.

The problem is, we allow many many years of mental conditioning to prevail over our way of thinking in regards to specific passages of scripture. Passages which are able to speak for themselves. However, instead of allowing them to speak for themselves, we inject another meaning into them; often another meaning we've been taught.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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No one is misrespresenting anything. You are, again, injecting your own ideas into scripture that aren't there.

Deuteronomy 23:17
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

What does that mean? Well, it isn't speaking about homosexuality. Unless you're willing to concede that 'whore' means lesbian. God is no respecter of persons. So if He will condemn homosexuality between men, He would also condemn it between females. However, that never is the case, is it? Why specifically mention men in regards to sodomites and ignore females?

People must ask themselves questions and critically think about the scriptures they are reading. Not just have a knee jerk reaction to scripture and throw an absent meaning into it.



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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”not (to) me. My mother gave me life…”
“ the disciples said to Jesus, “deny. Mary is (not?) ..worthy of it.
Jesus said to them, “My wife..
She is able to be my disciple..
Let wicked people swell up.
As for me, I am with her in order to

Yeshau is taking about his bride the body of Christ, those that accept the him and believe in him become married to him and are invited to the wedding. The only reason the disciples disagree is because of the laws and how woman are treated by men in those days. His teachings was different and treated woman respectfully than the other teachers of the time. The body of Christ is not the church but your body which is your temple, the physical church is a building and divided in many denominations and beliefs. The wicked will see this and swell up and use this to say to you everything you believe is wrong, he is with his bride to make scripture come true.

Revelation Chapter 19
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

So are you gonna accept the invitation?



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 09:20 PM
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JudgeEden
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No one is misrespresenting anything. You are, again, injecting your own ideas into scripture that aren't there.

Deuteronomy 23:17
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

What does that mean? Well, it isn't speaking about homosexuality. Unless you're willing to concede that 'whore' means lesbian. God is no respecter of persons. So if He will condemn homosexuality between men, He would also condemn it between females. However, that never is the case, is it? Why specifically mention men in regards to sodomites and ignore females?

People must ask themselves questions and critically think about the scriptures they are reading. Not just have a knee jerk reaction to scripture and throw an absent meaning into it.


So sodomy is just a man and woman....doing....

Let's just see here, the Greeks invented the word homosexual, correct? Because they were accepting of homosexuality, correct? The Romans, same thing. It's really a stretch when you say it doesn't mean "gay" when the entire world then knew what "gay" was. Let's see here, the word for man/woman sex outside of marriage was fornication. So if the word fornication was not used there, then it will have to be homosexual. Sodomy meant homosexuality. You see, if you want to change the Biblical meaning, you are going to have to change the word in the Bible.

What do you think it means "Adam knew his wife" and then in Sodom, "send the strangers out that we might know them"? Same words used, same context, same meaning. Do you really think the men of Sodom just wanted to entertain them with juggling?



posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 10:28 PM
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I am well aware of the Biblical definition of "knew."

However, God had decided to destroy the city before they stated that. Furthermore, God had specifically mentioned that their wanting of "strange flesh" was part of their offenses. Strange flesh alludes to the Angels they lusted after. Also, you'd notice that they planned fully to take them by force if need be. So that part of scripture you specifically pointed out is irrelevant to this argument.

Also, you are aware that Biblical marriage was induced by the sex act, are you not? Abraham didn't go through any wedding ceremony to be considered married to his wife. Adam didn't need to have a ceremony with Eve for them to be considered "one flesh."

So, knowing this, what does it mean to have sex outside of marriage? As far as I can tell in a Biblical context, fornication means to sleep around; not necessarily sex outside of marriage.

At best, homosexuality is a gray area. You cannot definitively say that it is wrong. The only thing biased Christians can do is twist scripture and use some out of context.
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