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OH Thank you !!!!
Well out of the 5 shots they fire annually apparently, they sure manage to kill plenty of people who are innocent and cows !!
If that is 1 person a year that equals 20% of shots they fire that kill innocents !! Shocking.
reply to post by abe froman
As someone who has freinds in the police I can tell you. Its all down to recruitment and training standards.
The police is very hard to get in to, standards are very high.
A lot of recruits are degree holders from middle class background and very intense.
Also the training never stops, they dont pass police acadermy then get handed a badge and set of hand cuffand tell em to go catch bad guys!. They cant even drive a car with lights at first. Everything needs training and courses.
Of course bad apples get in and we have our problems, but the British people have a very low tolerance for police abuse and we speak out and demand change when things go wrong, many a policeman career gets ruined and rightly so.
reply to post by stumason
United Kingdom- 167,318 LEOs (2009) 307 per 100,000 people-----"Crime and Criminal Justice - Police Officers". Eurostat. 2008-03-12. Retrieved 2011-02-14.
United States- 780,000 LEOs (2012) 245 per 100,000 people--------"Bureau of Labor Statistics - Police and Detectives"
You have more police.
Also, your snarky comment to Helen was completely uncalled for. I didnt much appreciate your condescending tone towards me in your previous post either.
Very unlike the rest of your countrymen I have met. They were charming and pleasant, even when we didnt agree on everything. You are rude and impolite. You cant disagree with people without acting like they kicked your grandmothers teeth in?
Are you sure you are originally from the UK?
Police Federation warns about rise in civilian staff
Police chiefs say civilians free up officers to do what they trained to do
Police forces may soon employ more civilians than officers, the Police Federation of England and Wales claims.
The body, which represents officers, says the proportion of police to civilians has fallen sharply over a decade in forces in England and Wales.
It warns that the drive to cut costs is putting the public at risk by making it harder to handle unplanned emergencies.
Police chiefs, however, say civilian staff free up officers to do the work they trained to do.
According to the Police Federation's research, there are on average fewer than one-and-a-half officers to every civilian, down from nearly two-and-a-half.
In Surrey and Northamptonshire, the number of civilians already outstrip officers, the body says.
The headcount equivalent of 213,620 FTE police workers was 222,697. This relates to the actual numbers of people employed by the police whether full- or part-time, and of this total 214,087 or 96.1% were available for duty on 31 March 2013 (please see the User Guide for definition).
Maybe so, but only to fools and idiots talking bollocks about somewhere they've never been and which happens to be my home.
Thanks Stuart for yet again insulting me for simply disagreeing with you. Where have I insulted you to deserve being insulted by you?
As far as respect, I dont need it from you. I dont need your validation to hold an opinion. Over emotional Jerks who cant control themselves dont garner my attention very much. Even less so do I need the privilege of their acceptance.
In June 2004, there were about 40,000 sworn officers plus several thousand support staff; in June 2005, that number dropped to 35,000. As of December 2011, it had increased to slightly over 36,600 with the graduation of a class of 1,500 from the New York City Police Academy. The NYPD's current authorized uniformed strength is 34,450. There are also approximately 4,500 Auxiliary Police Officers, 5,000 School Safety Agents, 2,300 Traffic Enforcement Agents, and 370 Traffic Enforcement Supervisors currently employed by the department. The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association of the City of New York (NYC PBA), the largest municipal police union in the United States, represents over 50,000 active and retired NYC police officers.
There were 139,110 full-time equivalent (FTE) police officers in the 43 police forces of England and Wales as at 31 March 2011.
I never mentioned "military". I simply stated that the UK has a higher number of law enforcement compared to the US. We have allot Militarized forces in charge of security yes. I am not disputing that.
I am saying that per person, you have more LAW ENFORCEMENT personnel.
That really isnt even disptable. Those statistics are from your very own government.
We are also the most involved military in the world, with responsibilities all over the globe in mind numbing numbers. They do need to live and train somewhere.
As far as moving on, why are you so upset? I am not the one getting angry at another person WHOM I HAVE NEVER MET. Much in the same way you say I have never been to your country, you cant possibly begin to "know" me. You have never met me, yet you "dislike me". Ok. Doesnt take much huh.
I didnt say MOST violent in the world. I said one of the most violent
They don't keep order. Your streets are some of the most violent in the world. Scotland is a blood pot.
. That too is not disputable. That is like saying that Harlem is not a bad place to walk around because its so beautiful and safe.
The UK had to be disarmed for crying out loud. What, you just felt like one day for no reason?
Moving along ( I will take your advice), I never "pissed on your country and yelled at the locals".
I parroted everything your own people have told me over the years. I have actually met MANY people from the UK. I have many friends from the UK since I lived in Europe for almost 7 years. While you may not notice the burden of living in a bad neighborhood or near one, these people I met have. I dont think they were all in on it to convince some random New Yorker how unsafe they felt at times.
So, I am sorry that you took such offence to my post. It is entirely your own problem and I am not sorry for what I said. I am sorry for you to have to see it the way you did is all. Pitty.
The fact that you needed to insult me only validates my point though. Your first instinct isnt reason or conversation. Its aggressive and barbaric tones of bile soaked sensitivity. I wonder what would have happened if we were to carry this conversation out in person. A bloody fight? Hmmmm.
All that being said. I do like your country, and your countrymen. Nice bunch. To everyone else from the UK not Stuart, have a good one. Stuart, chill out man. I would recommend a beer and some down time, but I think alcohol wouldnt really help your case. How about some nice herbal tea though?
reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot
We have armed response units. Armed with side arms sub machine guns and tasers.
And yes if, say, you walked into a pub, went over to a table of people having this conversation then loudly announced the UK is "one of the most violent places" and describing Scotland as a "bloodspot", then proceeded to tell us we're being overrun by Muslims (because that is what you meant by "ethnicities") and don't have the balls to stand up to them, the chances are you'd be knee deep in trouble pretty soonish. Just as I would expect if I walked into an American bar and started spouting the stereotypical nonsense associated with you guys, such as you're all fat, redneck, gun toting idiots.
1. The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
2. The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.
3. Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and
maintain the respect of the public.
4. The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of
5. Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial
service to the law.
6. Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise
of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.
7. Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are
the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention
to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8. Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by ObservingYou
I actually think you might have made the opposite point from what you were trying to make.
For any of our cousins across the pond this is how UK police deal with people who are being awkward.
Just watch the video, the police dont really do anything that I would say was wrong, people get pulled over all the time and the officer asks that you turn off the engine and get out of the car. Its pretty normal stuff.
This guy in the video goes a bit over the top, he is shouting at the police, talking about "Bacon breath" and firing all kinds of insults at them so the PC calls for some support (nothing wrong with that) the guy has a bit more of a rant as they check him out on their systems and he drives off. The result probably would have been the exact same had he been more cooperative.
I think a lot of members of the public forget that a police officer is just doing his or her job and its a job that someones got to do.
You cannot actually fault the police in this video, but the guy filming it is acting like a real jerk.