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Papyrus mentions Jesus wife authentic?

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posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 01:09 PM
reply to post by Spectrumdez

There were no, correct me if I'm wrong and please show me evidence that I may peruse, any pagan associations with an "earth mother". Like I said, please show me what you are referring to if I am wrong. Ishtar is the prevalent female deity associated with pagan religions of that time, and her worship was about fertility. They not only did not stamp this practice out, they converted it into Easter which is why little kids find easter eggs. They took Pascha and incorporated the rites of Ishtar, thus forming Easter. So please explain how the female gods of paganism where stamped out by the Romans. I mean no disrespect, but history does not support your argument, although you are the first person on here who made an argument as to why a lie about Yeshua being married even needed to exist. Congrats on that. Some might say Sophia, or the greek notion of female wisdom. It was not a goddess, and once more was a greek understanding. Like I have pointed out, the notion of the Bible holding women down never happened. And it also was not prevalent in Jewish culture of the time. Therefore there is literally no need to lie.

posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 06:07 PM


reply to post by Sparta

Has this question ever been asked.

Is this referring to the son of God "Jesus" or some guy named Jesus (pronounced "Hey Zeus")?

I'm asking this because every thing I have read about this, nothing has ever said "the son of God".

People probably think you are joking but "Hey Zeus" really was the way the Greeks pronounced Iesous. Personally, I don't think Zues had anything to do with the individual named Yeshua though.

That being said, I do suspect the Greeks had their own agenda and were certainly trying to imply that Christ was just another incarnation of Zeus. It seems to be a likely part of their plan.

All those old cultures like the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians were extreme believers in magic and one of their biggest beliefs was that saying a gods' name aloud somehow 'brought down' the god and made him manifest upon the earth.

Christ probably got blamed for a lot of things that may have had far more to do with Zeus. The Romans probably really loved the name Iesous too, because they worshiped Zeus as well, only under the name of Jupiter.

Everybody had an agenda...

By the way, the name 'Jesus' wasn't used at all until around 1400 AD. The name Yeshua was pretty much forgotten and never used except perhaps by a handful. Until 1400 AD, everybody used the name Iesous when they were speaking of Christ.
edit on 13-4-2014 by Riddles because: (no reason given)

Thanks for the input.. I would give star and flag. But this forum is not ipad friendly, or I'm just seeing how to.

posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 06:21 PM
”not (to) me. My mother gave me life…”
“ the disciples said to Jesus, “deny. Mary is (not?) ..worthy of it.
Jesus said to them, “My wife..
She is able to be my disciple..
Let wicked people swell up.
As for me, I am with her in order to

Yeshau is taking about his bride the body of Christ, those that accept the him and believe in him become married to him and are invited to the wedding. The only reason the disciples disagree is because of the laws and how woman are treated by men in those days. His teachings was different and treated woman respectfully than the other teachers of the time. The body of Christ is not the church but your body which is your temple, the physical church is a building and divided in many denominations and beliefs. The wicked will see this and swell up and use this to say to you everything you believe is wrong, he is with his bride to make scripture come true.

Revelation Chapter 19
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

So are you gonna accept the invitation?

posted on Apr, 14 2014 @ 07:03 PM

reply to post by tsingtao

no one outside His followers believed He was the Son of God

Well yeah...if they believed they became a follower....

haha! thanks for pointing out my capt. obvious, DOH!

posted on May, 2 2014 @ 12:09 PM
How the 'Jesus' Wife' Hoax Fell Apart

"Two factors immediately indicated that this was a forgery," Mr. Askeland tells me. "First, the fragment shared the same line breaks as the 1924 publication. Second, the fragment contained a peculiar dialect of Coptic called Lycopolitan, which fell out of use during or before the sixth century." Ms. King had done two radiometric tests, he noted, and "concluded that the papyrus plants used for this fragment had been harvested in the seventh to ninth centuries." In other words, the fragment that came from the same material as the "Jesus' wife" fragment was written in a dialect that didn't exist when the papyrus it appears on was made.

Mark Goodacre, a New Testament professor and Coptic expert at Duke University, wrote on his NT Blog on April 25 about the Gospel of John discovery: "It is beyond reasonable doubt that this is a fake, and this conclusion means that the Jesus' Wife Fragment is a fake too." Alin Suciu, a research associate at the University of Hamburg and a Coptic manuscript specialist, wrote online on April 26: "Given that the evidence of the forgery is now overwhelming, I consider the polemic surrounding the Gospel of Jesus' Wife papyrus over."

Having evaluated the evidence, many specialists in ancient manuscripts and Christian origins think Karen King and the Harvard Divinity School were the victims of an elaborate ruse. Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304178104579535540828090438.html%3Fru%3Dyahoo%3Fmod%3Dyahoo_itp

posted on May, 6 2014 @ 12:17 PM
It may be authentic, but at first opinion I would have to say that Jesus would not of had a wife - only because the apostles wrote of not needing a wife in the relationship of man and God after the Gospels. Yet the possibility of people etching facts out of 'religion' to keep it standard and contained, I think that is highly possible.

posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 12:19 PM
Gospel of Jesus's Wife Likely a Fake, Bizarre Backstory Suggests

I suggest moving this thread to the Hoax bin, as it seems that it was a hoax.

Karen King, the Harvard professor who discovered the Gospel of Jesus's Wife and has defended its authenticity, has now conceded that the papyrus is likely a forgery and that its owner lied to her about the provenance and his own background.

A fake letter Fritz provided King with a contract he signed with Laukamp, as well as a typed letter, supposedly from 1982, saying that Peter Munro, a professor at the Free University of Berlin, and colleagues had examined Laukamp's papyrus. Sabar got a copy of this letter from Fritz and obtained copies of Munro's archived correspondence comparing the two. Sabar concluded that the letter was a fake. "The problems were endemic. A word that should have been typed with a special German character — a so-called sharp S, which Munro used in typewritten correspondence throughout the '80s and early '90s — was instead rendered with two ordinary S's, a sign that the letter may have been composed on a non-German typewriter or after Germany's 1996 spelling reform, or both," Sabar wrote. "In fact, all the available evidence suggests that the 1982 letter isn't from the 1980s," Sabar continued. "Its Courier typeface does not appear in the other Munro correspondence I gathered until the early '90s — Fritz's final years at the [Free University of Berlin]. The same is true of the letterhead. The school's Egyptology institute began using it only around April 1990."

Why build up a fake provenance if you could just let the fragment speak for itself?

posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 05:10 PM

originally posted by: Butterfinger
Gospel of Jesus's Wife Likely a Fake, Bizarre Backstory Suggests

I suggest moving this thread to the Hoax bin, as it seems that it was a hoax.
Why build up a fake provenance if you could just let the fragment speak for itself?

I read the whole article in the Atlantic... quite interesting and well written. I actually thought it was a plausible find, but the more that the reporter dug into who was what, the more suspicious it seemed.

However, I'd argue against moving it to Hoax since the intent of the OP was not a hoax and (to be honest) there's all sorts of frauds and forgeries of ancient material around.

posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 09:34 AM
a reply to: Byrd

I see. Hoax bin is for actual attempts at fooling people, not for posts that might be debunked.

posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 11:25 AM
a reply to: Butterfinger

It's the moderators' call.

posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 12:24 PM
I read the translation, it is fragmented but there is enough legibility (Source)

1 ] “not [to] me. My mother gave to me li[fe…”
2 ] .” The disciples said to Jesus, “.[
3 ] deny. Mary is (not?) worthy of it [
4 ]…” Jesus said to them, “My wife . .[
5 ]… she is able to be my disciple . . [

6 ] . Let wicked people swell up … [
7] . As for me, I am with her1 in order to . [
8 ] . an image … [

The bolded lines are similar to an excerpt from the Gospel of Thomas:

Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life."

Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

This may sound misogynistic at first, but it is no different than when the woman at the well (in John chapter 4) asks Jesus for eternal life, and he tells her to find her Husband.

posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 03:03 PM
a reply to: Sparta

Sorry but it's fake... It amazes me all the trouble atheists will go to, in order to disprove God's word. Just absolutely amazes me... And to think I was once stubborn like this... Amazing. Truly amazing..

Keep on trying my atheist/heathen brethren!

FYI Jesus was a common name back then. Very, very common... Prove to me that the Jesus mentioned on that papyrus is referring to the Son of the Living God. The Most High God and Heavenly Creator. The Almighty God of the Universe and Beyond.

Reminds me a lot of that Tomb found that mentioned a completely different Jesus with a wife and such.

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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 03:47 PM
While I find the story fascinating, I find it no less fascinating that the posters at ATS who steadfastly deny the Bible and anything written in it suddenly jump on this ancient writing about Jesus as true and authentic.

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