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Aliens made Pumapunku? (CampKill)

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posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: CirqueDeTruth
Hi Mr. Mask

First I have to say I really enjoyed your video on Puma Punka. I had my husband listen to it to, I was so tickled. I enjoy works that make me laugh. My husband said you reminded him of Weird Al Yankovich where as I said Eminem! LOL.

Cirque


Awww THANKS!!! Weird Al was such a huge influence on my artistically as a child, so that comment made my day. As for Eminem, wow, thanks, he is a talented lyricist, so that is an honor as well.

Thanks for enjoying the vid. Big hugs to you and your husband!!!

MM




posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy
One of the biggest is you can't come up with anything that explains the consistent symmetry and no, "they were super duper innovative" doesn't work.


I linked you to three sources that show there is no super symmetry (real studies of the site).

None of the blocks are identical or the exact same size.

Please research more before you keep throwing out nonsense.

The blocks are close in shape and size, but none are identical. All are flawed. And not a single one is exact in geometry or identical in size and shape.

the only source claiming such is AA idiots selling lies that have been debunked for decades.

You have not provided a single argument that comes from a legitimate source and 100% of what you quote comes from a hoax that lost its wind in the 70s.

Please...do some fact seeking and stop offering foolish claims that can be debunked with little or no effort.

MM
edit on 27-4-2014 by Mr Mask because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: Mr Mask

Non-Linear thinking= illogical and ill based.

Based on the only definition I could find, I think you are right.


A person who thinks nonlinearly often makes connections among unrelated concepts. A nonlinear thinker will jump from idea to idea, unlike a logical, linear thinker.

That doesn't sound too good.

What is also funny is that he seems to be demanding some "linear", logical explanation and when one is given, he rejects it because its linear and logical.



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: OzTiger
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

I find this very interesting:


www.anomolies-unlimited.com...


"Many of the huge stones and megaliths used to make temples and structures - stones so large that even
today we'd have no way to move them

An "interesting" lie?

There has never been found a shaped stone from ancient times that could not be moved easily today.

Next:

originally posted by: OzTiger - were joined together with metal clamps.. It was thought the clamps
were brought to the structures where a hole was carved for them to be placed.

Recent scans using electron microscopes reveal a different story - the metal was poured, molten, into pre-
carved indentations - meaning a portable smelter was used which could move from section to section as
needed. Since the clamps often link two huge slabs or blocks of stone, you have to wonder - if it's a mystery
how 447 tonne stones were quarried, moved and put in place - how were two done? A much more advanced
level of technology than the "main stream" ever gave to Pre-Columbian man.
Very few of the clamps have survived but analysis of those from Pre-Columbian South America show them to
be made of a very unusual alloy - 2.05% arsenic, 95.15% copper, 0.26% iron, 0.84% silicon and 1.70%
nickel. There is no source nickel anywhere in Bolivia.


Another lie.

Don Carlos mine, Mt Chacaltaya, Murillo Province, La Paz Department, Bolivia
Small nickel mine which produced a few tons of Ni ore in 1951. Hydrothermal siderite vein cutting Devonian slate.
Source

Also the rare alloy of nickel-bronze-arsenic requires
extremely high temperatures The Puma Punku brackets holes, when analyzed, showed platinum, a metal
which only melts at 1753 C and aluminum, which supposedly wasn't discovered and produced in quantity
until the 19th century.

After the above two lies, do you trust that information? Other than woo pages such as your link, I find no reference to either platinum or aluminum anywhere in the Altiplano basin.

On page four of this PDF, there is a table showing the elements in the bronze alloy used at both Tiahuanaco and PumaPunku. No aluminum or platinum listed.

I dismiss your link with no further ado as simple lying con men supporting their families and staffs with money scammed from the ignorant.

Harte



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: Harte
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On page four of this PDF, there is a table showing the elements in the bronze alloy used at both Tiahuanaco and PumaPunku. No aluminum or platinum listed.

I dismiss your link with no further ado as simple lying con men supporting their families and staffs with money scammed from the ignorant.

Harte


Well said sir, and thank you so much for being so much more tolerant and patient than I in this thread. You have stuck in here batting for the side of science, truth and honor in the face of fantasy, ignorance and tomfoolery. I appreciate your help in defending the truth of Pumapunku against the lies and hoaxes.

And that is the saddest part these people who support the whole AAS Pumapunku myth shall never understand.

100% of all AA alien theory on Pumapunku is hogwash. its made up and it flies in the face so much wonderful/detailed research on the site.

Any of you communing here with this insane Pumapunku-is-made-by-Aliens crap needs to consider the facts. The site has been overly researched, analyzed, dated, scientifically scrutinized over and over for decades.

That FACT is that there is no Pumapunku "unanswerable mysteries". They are all invented by Von Daniken in the late 60s and 70s and 80s. The History channel knows the garbage he pedals is not science nor supported by anyone other than con-men.

Its all rubbish. Scientifically it has no place in a single journal or report.

If you want to be hoodwinked and lead down rabbit holes of stupidity, that is fine...but if you want truth, there is plenty of it out there.

MM



posted on Apr, 27 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: tsingtao

Religion and for that man has done much that appears crazy to an outside observer.

Why 3,000 cathedrals? Why hundreds of thousands of churchs, mosques and temples


i guess we know what they are for.

the other places, not so much.




You might want to read about the AE religion and that of the Andes people - never underestimate the power of religion, even in today's world we have people willing to kill themselves over such principles

With that I'm done - I'll be back at some later time to see how the thread is going



thanks for the conversation, hanslune.

i don't underestimate the power of religion at all.




posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 06:02 AM
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a reply to: Mr Mask

when I talk about symmetry it pertains to the corresponding block angles and being different sizes makes it even more difficult because you have to have some way of being absolutely consistent with your cuts. Do you realize there are many details like that involved in this? have you ever held a hand tool and actually cut something? I thought you didn't want to talk to me any more?



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 06:03 AM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian
I haven't demanded linear logic- that's part of your problem. Like I said before this is an irrational subject and you will not get there with your linear logic. pay attention.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: bottleslingguy


I haven't demanded linear logic- that's part of your problem. Like I said before this is an irrational subject and you will not get there with your linear logic. pay attention.

That doesn't really make sense. Can you give me an example of how that works

Ancient aliens is an irrational subject invented by irrational people. Is that what you mean?
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posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: ZetaRediculian
I haven't demanded linear logic- that's part of your problem. Like I said before this is an irrational subject and you will not get there with your linear logic. pay attention.


So rational, logical thought is problematic when it comes to the subject of aliens building Pumapunku?

I would tend to agree.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 09:15 AM
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Masters of "Nonlinear" thought...Lou Castello and David Childress.


Seriously, this would make a classic Abbott and Castello bit.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: Mr Mask

when I talk about symmetry it pertains to the corresponding block angles and being different sizes makes it even more difficult because you have to have some way of being absolutely consistent with your cuts. Do you realize there are many details like that involved in this? have you ever held a hand tool and actually cut something? I thought you didn't want to talk to me any more?


1) Do YOU realized I linked you directly to hieroglyphics and scientific studies (with pictures of both) to how this was achieved and you ignored it?

2) Do You understand that this has been figured out for over 30 years and has been documented and published for just as long?

3) Are YOU aware you keep ignoring information published by our academic institutes (that you have been linked to and explained in the simplest of ways) so you can continue following a TV show that made for gullible people?

MM



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: ZetaRediculian
I haven't demanded linear logic- that's part of your problem. Like I said before this is an irrational subject and you will not get there with your linear logic. pay attention.


Sir you have lied about teaching at MIT and about attending Oxford.

And you have defended "non-linear" thinking...

These two things do not add up.

You are lying to the community here.

And you are turning a blind eye to published science and understood history.

AND you are saying that knowing the facts is not going to bring you to the truth. Instead you rather follow some stupid BS invented by dishonest men who sell hogwash to uneducated and gullible people.

You have lost every single argument you have presented (and you have not presented one that has not been presented in any venues of science). I'm sorry, but you have no grasp on this subject at all. proving all the more that you lied about your educational background.

MM



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: ZetaRediculian
I haven't demanded linear logic- that's part of your problem. Like I said before this is an irrational subject and you will not get there with your linear logic. pay attention.


No...you demanded "non-linear" logic. And Non-linear logic is considered "broken-logic.

You are demanding people use "broken logic" and saying that "linear logic" is not to be used here because this subject is irrational. Sorry, this subject is NOT irrational. History and science are never irrational subjects.

This is more proof that you never taught at MIT or attended Oxford University.

You don't even understand what "logical" means...

MM



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
Masters of "Nonlinear" thought...Lou Castello and David Childress.


Seriously, this would make a classic Abbott and Castello bit.


Hhhaahahahah.

Non-linear thinking at its best...

The fact that there is even an audience for this type of nonsense scares the hell out of me and says so much about the failing school systems of the Western world.

These people should be sued for tricking gullible people with this underhanded nonsense.

MM



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: Mr Mask

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: ZetaRediculian
I haven't demanded linear logic- that's part of your problem. Like I said before this is an irrational subject and you will not get there with your linear logic. pay attention.

lol you believed it when I said I taught there? that's funny. Where did I say "non-linear logic"? I don't believe the two can mix. Non-linear doesn't include our logic. Like I said this subject is irrational and you are looking for the answer with a rational microscope. You guys try to answer why this and why that about "aliens", but you try to do it with a human mind with human science and human logic. Logic would say you shouldn't do that, how's that? If you are not there by now no matter how much non-linear evidence there is you will not be able to connect the dots.

No...you demanded "non-linear" logic. And Non-linear logic is considered "broken-logic.

You are demanding people use "broken logic" and saying that "linear logic" is not to be used here because this subject is irrational. Sorry, this subject is NOT irrational. History and science are never irrational subjects.

This is more proof that you never taught at MIT or attended Oxford University.

You don't even understand what "logical" means...

MM



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy

lol you believed it when I said I taught there? that's funny. Where did I say "non-linear logic"? I don't believe the two can mix. Non-linear doesn't include our logic. Like I said this subject is irrational and you are looking for the answer with a rational microscope. You guys try to answer why this and why that about "aliens", but you try to do it with a human mind with human science and human logic. Logic would say you shouldn't do that, how's that? If you are not there by now no matter how much non-linear evidence there is you will not be able to connect the dots.



There, I fixed your post. I think you were quoting nonlinearly.

lol you believed it when I said I taught there? that's funny.

Actually if you read his post he didn't believe you. Nobody did. That's what's funny.



Where did I say "non-linear logic"? I don't believe the two can mix. Non-linear doesn't include our logic.

Can you please define what "nonlinear thinking" means? If it "doesn't include our logic", whose logic does it include?


You guys try to answer why this and why that about "aliens", but you try to do it with a human mind with human science and human logic. Logic would say you shouldn't do that, how's that?

That doesn't make much sense. Logic says we shouldn't use logic? What logic says that? Besides, "we" aren't talking about aliens, you are. Are you saying aliens are not logical?

If you are not there by now no matter how much non-linear evidence there is you will not be able to connect the dots.

what is "nonlinear evidence"? We are there with "actual" evidence but you seem to be lost and confused with made up words.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

so bottom line you're asking me "who's logic are we trying to understand?" correct? really? lol who's logic would we be trying to understand???? wait.... wait...... come on I know you can do it lol



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

so bottom line you're asking me "who's logic are we trying to understand?" correct? really? lol who's logic would we be trying to understand???? wait.... wait...... come on I know you can do it lol

Bottom line is that I am trying to understand what you think "nonlinear" thinking is. Its a straight forward question. What do you mean by this? Can you please define what "nonlinear thinking" means? and it would be "whose logic".

The only answer you gave was that its not logical thinking. That could mean anything from dreaming to fantasy to mental illness. How do you distinguish this from confused thought or is it the same?


Non-linear doesn't include our logic.

That's what you said, so what does it mean?

I fully expect you to not answer but I enjoy your responses.



posted on Apr, 28 2014 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Mr Mask

Mate that was awesome. I am glad there is another person out there that HATES the Ancient Alein series as much as I do for their lies, made-up BS and the retarded presenters.

The biggest bunch of losers to grace a TV show since Oprah Winfrey!!

Nice lyrics too and great vid!!



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