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I've lived in apartments and was pretty aware of who lived there. Seeing a stranger walking around with a hose attachment (would be hard to tell the difference between one and a gun if not within 30 feet) would certainly have resulted in me calling the cops. [
They shot him because he watered his lawn, or because his weird-looking hose nozzle looked like a gun? WHICH?
Does it matter which? They were covertly observing him for quite some time. If they can't figure out what he's doing, then maybe they shouldn't be cops? How difficult is it to use some binoculars and look at the object? Or perhaps just walk up to him and ask what's going on.
reply to post by diggindirt
Drunk and high aren't against the law if you are in your own yard minding your own business as this man was.
This is starting to irritate me. He was not in his own yard. He was visiting an apartment complex and walking around/slumped over with a hose attachment (and no hose).
I've lived in apartments and was pretty aware of who lived there. Seeing a stranger walking around with a hose attachment (would be hard to tell the difference between one and a gun if not within 30 feet) would certainly have resulted in me calling the cops.
I am so tired of these BS thread titles 'Someone killed for _____' where the _______ is some mundane activity to elicit an emotional response from the reader. 'Man arrested for dancing', 'Man beaten for jaywalking' etc. The guy wasn't shot for watering his lawn. He wasn't watering anything. He was shot because the cops mistook a hose attachment for a gun.
I think the police were absolute morons with the way they handled the situation, but ATS just makes me cringe.
I'm not doubting the cops screwed up, but I would sure like to see a video before I start pretending I know what actually happened.
Wait... I thought owning a gun was legal in the US? So what if he had a damn gun on his own property?
He was drunk and high ,look at the autopsy report.
There are always two sides.
Only time LEO should EVER even draw there weapons is if there is a direct threat to themselves or the public, never because someine being difficult.
reply to post by Sremmos80
according to the story, he pointed it at the LEOs, so they opened fire.
If it was a real firearm and the LEO was killed because he hesitated, what would you say then?
If I surreptitiously viewed my unarmed neighbor for 15 minutes and shot him 12 times, I have no doubt that I would be tried for first degree murder.
Wait... I thought owning a gun was legal in the US? So what if he had a damn gun on his own property? So let me get this straight... merely holding a firearm whilst standing on ones own property is enough for the police to get called in? Why would the neighbors be so worried that he had a gun in his possession when he hadn't committed any crimes with the gun? I'm willing to bet they weren't natural US citizens. Either that or they really had a grudge against the guy.edit on 10/4/2014 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
reply to post by strawburry
6.5 million, that buys a lot of amnesia
You think so? You think that money, or anything can fill this gaping horror?
What a telling remark. I'd worry, were I related to you.
To you it does, or you wouldn't have dreamed of making such a statement; not even in a nightmare does this have any truth in it.
Money cannot even buy love, let alone bring back loss of life. I suggest a spiritual retreat. A long one.
# 224edit on 9-4-2014 by TheWhiteKnight because: (no reason given)
reply to post by minusinfinity
And that reason was explained in the article as well as by several people in this thread already. His neighbors saw him holding a spray nozzle, thought it was a gun, and called the police. Maybe while he was high, he was pretending it was a gun and making gun noises and motions, but that STILL isn't a justifiable reason to call the police.