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This is obviously a disturbing story. The fact that this doesn't happen every day indicates to me that the police did not follow normal procedure in dealing with this incident.
Why would you be in a situation where police would feel the need to shoot at you?
Never in my life have I experienced a time where I was taking cover from police gunfire.
I'm not trying to absolve the cops here. I'm trying to point out that ATS members are complete morons when cops are involved. I'm saying the guy wasn't watering his lawn on his own property, even though a TON of people think that's what he was doing in this thread. Go through the thread. I did.
I'm pointing out how quick ATS members make complete asses of themselves. The replies show that. 'He was watering his lawn'. No, he wasn't.
I've lived in apartments and was pretty aware of who lived there. Seeing a stranger walking around with a hose attachment (would be hard to tell the difference between one and a gun if not within 30 feet) would certainly have resulted in me calling the cops.
yes, there was a reason. But would there ever be a legitimatre reason to put 12 bullet holes in someone. What if you were told that your father got 12 bullet holes put in him while simply watering the lawn? You see what i'm saying? This man was murdered for no GOOD reason.
reply to post by Krazysh0t
I'm saying someone called the police.
Do you think a cop drove by, saw the guy watering his lawn, called in back up then shot the guy twelve times?
Why because he was using too much water?!?
There was a reason.
I think the fact that so many shots are fired in such cases is indicative of a twisted mentality by these officers. I mean 12 rounds, really? Under no circumstances are that many rounds ever necessary, well possibly in very isolated cases, but not involving a single person standing on his lawn. But that is not even the point, or the issue, considering the shooting itself is just inhumanity at its worst, and this goes to show the state of the police in the USA. Happens all the time, and there are constantly threads about it on ATS. NOTHING is being done to quell such occurrences apparently.
I agree with the poster who stated it might just be safer to shoot at the police before they shoot at you.
As a former "LEO" (as they are called now) I will post the following:
I can appreciate what you're saying but your information is out of date. The college I work at has a law enforcement program and very often between classes I will sit outside their rooms and listen in, because I want to know what the cops are being taught these days.
Escalation of force isn't really a concept anymore. Instead what's taught is overwhelming force. If a suspect is handcuffed and unarmed, keep a weapon pointed at them, and shoot if they so much as twitch. If the suspect has something that can be used as a weapon, shoot them (usually with a tazer). It's better to shoot a suspect that can potentially injure an officer than to see an officer harmed.
That is modern day use of force guidelines. If soldiers acted in warzones like cops act on our streets each and every day, the soldiers would be given the harshest military punishments possible. Taking off a bicycle helmet to talk to an officer counts as brandishing a weapon against them these days
Additionally, there is a "reasonableness standard" wherein the actions of the officer must be in accordance of the actions of other "reasonable" officers. Meaning that the situation is such that any reasonable person/officer would have acted in a similar manner. When applied to "deadly force" this means that a reasonable person/officer would have viewed the situation and felt it necessary to utilize deadly force to prevent grievous harm or loss of life to the officer or to another person.
That standard has been twisted, these days that means: Did the cops take every step possible, including shooting the suspect to prevent harm from coming to an officer.
Wait... I thought owning a gun was legal in the US? So what if he had a damn gun on his own property? So let me get this straight... merely holding a firearm whilst standing on ones own property is enough for the police to get called in?
It is legal to own a gun in the US, though a few areas have effectively outlawed them with local laws. However, the cops don't care about the legality of a weapon. To them if you have a gun, even if it's in your own property (for which you can still get a brandishing charge) you have a deadly weapon that can be used against them.
I have the final report from the District Attorney's Office and they were justified in protecting themselves.
What really happened-and what underground internet sites claim to have happened is completely different.
The District Attorney's Office is appealing the monetary award.
Police elsewhere in the civilised world go through a lot of psychology training. How to talk to people. How to recognise what state people are in. It used to be the same in America some 20+ years ago, but perhaps not any longer.
There is no accident that the police in the UK is not carrying guns. In fact, the officials recently wanted to change the rules so that they should carry guns on a regular basis, but almost everyone in the police force voted against as they didn't want to appear threatening. They prefer to talk people down rather than gunning them down. And they are rather good at it.
So you are accusing people of being complete asses for the crime of using the link in the OP.
Douglas Zerby was finishing up watering his lawn when neighbors, completely brainwashed by the police state, called the cops
Admittedly I, along with many others, could have dug deeper for more concrete facts. These more concrete facts still point to the man holding a watering nozzle on a porch. Sheesh. The difference in fact borders on trivial.
It seems you and the person that called 911 have something in common. This is the kind of behavior I was referring to in my first reply on this thread. Calling down the heavy hand of the police because you see a stranger carrying something. The horror! I'm sorry for the sarcasm but I do not understand this mindset. Also, how would you feel if you were the person that called 911 in this case?
(General question directed at no one) What ever happened to respecting the privacy of other people and minding ones own business? The man would most likely still be breathing if no one had dialed 911.
Fear of the unknown strikes again!
reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Not sure if this has been said, but even if he was drunk and high, he was still just watering his lawn and supposedly ignoring the police presence. Since he was DOING nothing wrong, but watering his lawn, why would he have to show ID or answer to the police? I'm just confused because if this is the case, I don't think him being drunk and high matters.