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Obamacare is working!

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posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 04:35 AM
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I am sure all that is possible. That is why we will end up with universal health care. It is the only logical conclusion that our nation will be forced into and the right one.




posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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Baloney.

Truth and Fact: The Majority of the American People, which is to say a healthy blend of Democrats, Republicans, Conservatives, Liberals and Independents alike, view Obamacare Unfavorably.

Evidence based on fact found at this link: townhall.com...

It is We, The People, that will indeed ultimately decide whether Obamacare is working, or not working. Not some liberal hack trying to impose their desires or wishful fantasies or thinking upon the rest of us.

Lets be Real.
edit on 11-4-2014 by rickynews because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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MOMof3
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I am sure all that is possible. That is why we will end up with universal health care. It is the only logical conclusion that our nation will be forced into and the right one.



There is nothing "right" about being forced into doing something against your will.



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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MOMof3
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I am sure all that is possible. That is why we will end up with universal health care. It is the only logical conclusion that our nation will be forced into and the right one.


I posted this a few pages back.....

Maybe somebody can run the costs and come to a conclusion about how much of a tax increase would be necessary to get there.

Assume by the time they get to a "Universal" system, the spending could be $3 trillion.

How much from everybody's check?

Right now they take 1.45% from workers paychecks and the employer pays an equal amount total = 2.90% for Medicare.



In 2012 U.S. health care spending increased 3.7 percent
to reach $2.8 trillion,

or $8,915 per person



National Health Expenditures 2012 Highlights



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 02:10 PM
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They could easily offset the cost of true universal health care by taking the money directly from the over bloated "defense" budget. There's plenty of money there without having to increase taxes one bit. It wouldn't even really put that much of a dent into the defense budget either.

If you want to know exactly how much a true universal system would cost:
www.pnhp.org...



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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Run the numbers for us.

Use today's situations.

Assume the politicians won't divert money from other expenses.

Healthcare only.

Run the wizardry.



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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What am I your personal accountant?

See the linky I provided for you? Yea, that one in blue up there? Here, just in case you missed it.

www.pnhp.org...

Wow look! There it is, and I don't have to be your toady and do your work for you. All you have to do is READ!



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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Obamacare is working!


That can be assessed after 50 years of examination, not right after it started.

Also: You provide no evidence of anyone foaming at their mouths over this.
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posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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lol..

so let's see...in just your OP, you've:

Posted a bunch of pictures.

Lied.

Used labels to marginalize anyone who disagrees with you.

Shown yourself to be a hypocrite, with the claim of "They don't know reason, or using facts to gain the upper ground in an argument." in reference to your opponents, when you're doing the same thing..


you claim it's working because people are buying it....not enough people are buying it, to make it sustainable....not to mention, the biggest reason people are buying it now, is because if they don't the federal government will rob them.

FORCING people to buy something at gunpoint, and then calling it a success, because people are buying it, is absolutely idiotic.

sure, there are beneficial, and genuinely good provisions in the ACA, but they are far outnumbered by harmful garbage that only benefits the industry that wrote the damned bill..

the good things could have been passed on their own, if the congress had any balls..

the ACA, as a whole, IS bad for the country, and will cause more problems than it solves..



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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LOL

Great argument in favor.




posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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Sadly my 27 year son working as a server in restaurant only made 11 thousand dollars last year, so Obama care told him that he do not qualify for any insurance exchange and neither for Medicaid as a single men.

The irony.

How many young men like him are out there that are in the same boat? I imagine many.

No making enough, no insurance.



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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The ACA is working because it's causing the hard core right to flip their lids.

In my experience if a conservative is mad about something someone does, that person is doing the right thing and whatever it is they are doing is more than likely good for the nation.

This is the state of politics in the US.

It didn't used to be like that. But it is now. Raise taxes on the rich? The hardcore right flips their lids, try and get everyone insured? The hardcore right flips their lids. Try and end a war? The hardcore right flips their lids. Try and close a concentration camp? The hardcore right flips their lids. Fail to close that same concentration camp because the hardcore right has flipped their lids? The hardcore right flips their lids. Try and start a war? The hardcore right flips their lids. Don't try and start a war? hardcore right flips their lids.

This is why I am saying that Obamacare is working. Because it's showing these people for who they really are.



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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Oh i'm in the same boat, I made 15K last year, and so I didn't qualify for medicaid either, and had to get insurance through a company. It's a hit on my budget especially cause I have myself and my son to insure and I don't receive child support because the great state of Florida flat out refuses to go after my son's mother for child support. But, now we are insured, and I'll have to adjust my budget accordingly.



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 03:09 PM
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marg6043
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Sadly my 27 year son working as a server in restaurant only made 11 thousand dollars last year, so Obama care told him that he do not qualify for any insurance exchange and neither for Medicaid as a single men.

The irony.

How many young men like him are out there that are in the same boat? I imagine many.

No making enough, no insurance.



and that's the part of the system they don't want you to know about...

if you make 10,000 dollars or more, per year, you are required to file an income tax return(gee, whatever happened to taxes being voluntary?). if you make enough to file a tax return, you're required to buy an insurance plan.

i'm sure your son is able to buy a plan, or is eligible for medicaid, if you're in a state that chose to expand it...

but making that little money per year...it's gonna really be a huge burden..



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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HauntWok
The ACA is working because it's causing the hard core right to flip their lids.


i must have missed the part where that was it's purpose...



In my experience if a conservative is mad about something someone does, that person is doing the right thing and whatever it is they are doing is more than likely good for the nation.


again with the political labels....let me tell you something...."liberal", and "conservative" don't actually mean what they're supposed to mean...they actually mean the opposite...that's one of the reasons i don't subscribe to ANY of the labels, because they're all nonsense...

you seem to understand that this "it's good because it's pissing someone off" way of thinking is wrong and stupid. so if you understand that, why in the hell would you start a thread like this?



This is the state of politics in the US.


and it's bulls**t....mostly because of idiotic labels, and people not having a clue what they're talking about, and people being in politics, only for the money, instead of wanting to serve their people..



It didn't used to be like that. But it is now. Raise taxes on the rich? The hardcore right flips their lids, try and get everyone insured? The hardcore right flips their lids. Try and end a war? The hardcore right flips their lids. Try and close a concentration camp? The hardcore right flips their lids. Fail to close that same concentration camp because the hardcore right has flipped their lids? The hardcore right flips their lids. Try and start a war? The hardcore right flips their lids. Don't try and start a war? hardcore right flips their lids.


i'm for some of these things, and against others....but it's disingenuous to say that the ACA is about getting more people covered....it's about bailing out another industry, and taking even MORE money from people, to feed the government's selfish ends...

i actually ran the numbers...with the right tax, and the proper federal regulations, and with independent controls, and oversight, we could have a National Medical Services System, that provided quality care for ALL U.S. citizens....it is COMPLETELY possible...we'll never see it, because the establishment has no desire to do the right things...

i also ran the numbers on how much money they're stealing from the people NOT buying the mandated programs.....that's a whole lot of incentive to keep it going as is...



This is why I am saying that Obamacare is working. Because it's showing these people for who they really are.


so even though i don't fit into any of the labels, you'd be content to refer to me as a hardcore right lunatic, because i disagree with the alleged benefits of the ACA

couldn't be that i have a point..naah, i'm just "right", so i'm automatically wrong... have i got it about right?



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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The insurance exchange told my son when he signed in that he didn't qualify for private insurance due to his income and neither for subsidies, but that he may qualify for Medicaid, been single and with not children my son didn't qualify for Medicaid either.

His job will not offer insurance because he is part time and as long as the employer keeps the employees part time he doesn't have to offer insurance either, he is in limbo now.



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 03:37 PM
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As I explained he will not qualify for either because the exchange told him that if he make less than 15,000 he could not get private insurance, but may qualify for medicaid.

As for Medicaid, GA is not expanding and I believe that they just pass a bill that will exempt people that do not what to buy insurance from been penalized by the Fed.



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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marg6043
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The insurance exchange told my son when he signed in that he didn't qualify for private insurance due to his income and neither for subsidies, but that he may qualify for Medicaid, been single and with not children my son didn't qualify for Medicaid either.

His job will not offer insurance because he is part time and as long as the employer keeps the employees part time he doesn't have to offer insurance either, he is in limbo now.



i understand if you don't want to answer, but i'm curious as to what state you live in.

i was trying to run the numbers for you, so i could tell you if they were lying to him, but i can't run the numbers without knowing what state you live in, because, and this is the most retarded part, the rules are different for each state...



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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Ga, as you know is one of the few states that do not have state run exchanges because they are opposing Obamacare and will not expand Medicaid.



posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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marg6043
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Ga, as you know is one of the few states that do not have state run exchanges because they are opposing Obamacare and will not expand Medicaid.



i ran the numbers...he's pretty well screwed....

there are still options, but none of them are cheap...unless he can get a tax credit, or whatever...

lol, affordable, my ass...

see everyone....if the ACA was so super wonderful, this poor bastard wouldn't have anything to worry about...instead, he's pretty much screwed..

NMSS would fix this..



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