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posted on Apr, 12 2014 @ 11:42 PM
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reply to post by HauntWok
 


ok, screw it, i'm calling shill...

either that or uber troll...




posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 06:07 AM
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Daedalus
reply to post by HauntWok
 


ok, screw it, i'm calling shill...

either that or uber troll...

Sounds like a winner to me!
As I said before, some selfish people just refuse to see the harm this law is doing.
As long as they get theirs, screw everyone else.
Lol that's what libs have always claimed about conservatives. Nice to see the truth coming out.
So..........? Are we done here?



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 07:24 AM
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The ACA is working? I suppose if you call the ACA what it resembles, then maybe it is. The ACA is just an automatic poop throwing monkey. And those that think it is working have a fetish for that kind of thing. Obama doesn't even bother to tell you it's raining either. He's too busy laughing about the whole thing..



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 09:33 AM
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As I said before, some selfish people just refuse to see the harm this law is doing.
As long as they get theirs, screw everyone else.
Lol that's what libs have always claimed about conservatives.


That is a tenant of modern conservatism. I get mine, leave mine alone, go get your own.

Oh it's hard? I guess, that's just too bad isn't it?

Because you all still refuse to see the core problem. And are going after Washington for a problem with the healthcare industry in this country.

They are the ones you should be mad at. They are the ones charging insane rates. As my friend above Mblah pointed out, a neck brace cost her $80, she found the same one on ebay for $10.

So price gouging from the healthcare industry is fine, but everyone having insurance isn't.

Cmon guys, learn who to be mad at. This obviously isn't fair market value we are dealing with here. Even if they charged her insurance 20 bucks, they still would make a profit.

I think that's the true flaw with the ACA, there was no cost regulation involved. I wonder which special interest group made damn sure that wasn't in the bill?

Conservatives stick up for big business all the time. Too big to fail remember? Can't raise the minimum wage because that would hurt business. Citizens United.

This is why the ACA is working. It's showing the country conservatives true faces. Hopefully the American people wake up and vote against the people that consistently work AGAINST the American people, the GOP. Then we can fix this, put in some amendments to the ACA law that would force insurance companies to lower their rates to something reasonable for everyone.

Then after that, hopefully we can work towards a true universal health care system. It wouldn't take much. We could take the money from the bloated DOD budget.
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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 09:40 AM
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The funny thing is the people who are complaining about it the most now are the people who it was " designed" for. I just talked to one of my friends the other day who supported The affordable care act before it got put through and guess what? He hates it now because he has to drop 100 dollars a month on insurance for his daughter and him. Hes a single dad and is already behind on rent and other bills.

I love how the OP thinks that by lowering the amount of people uncovered by 3-5% shows that this has been a success, the problem is that it was supposed to eliminate uncovered people. Now those 10-15% that aren't covered are going to be fined because the US government says its illegal to not have health insurance.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 10:01 AM
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Hey Chucklehead, if its working, then maybe you should find a way to tell Charlene Dill, but unless you have a psychic on hand you cant, she'd dead.




Charlene Dill might still be alive today had she been able to get the healthcare she needed.

A resident of Florida making $9,000 per year, Dill found herself victim to the "coverage gap." Because Florida is one of the many states that has opted out of expanding Obamacare Medicaid coverage, Dill neither qualified for a public Medicaid plan nor the government subsidies offered to those who can afford to buy a private health plan. As a result, the 32-year-old mother succumbed to her heart condition, which she took medication for, but could not afford the tests to monitor.


story

libtard obama worshipping losers make me sick



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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Wow, what was that statistic again? 32 million adults in the US who can't read. Shame that.

From the article:



Because Florida is one of the many states that has opted out of expanding Obamacare Medicaid coverage, Dill neither qualified for a public Medicaid plan nor the government subsidies offered to those who can afford to buy a private health plan. As a result, the 32-year-old mother succumbed to her heart condition, which she took medication for, but could not afford the tests to monitor.


Because = Cause of

Florida, the cause of Dill neither qualifying for a public Medicaid plan, ...



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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Quadrivium

Daedalus
reply to post by HauntWok
 


ok, screw it, i'm calling shill...

either that or uber troll...

Sounds like a winner to me!
As I said before, some selfish people just refuse to see the harm this law is doing.
As long as they get theirs, screw everyone else.
Lol that's what libs have always claimed about conservatives. Nice to see the truth coming out.
So..........? Are we done here?


'Shill"..."troll" and name calling = Losing the argument.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 10:25 AM
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bigcountry08
The funny thing is the people who are complaining about it the most now are the people who it was " designed" for. I just talked to one of my friends the other day who supported The affordable care act before it got put through and guess what? He hates it now because he has to drop 100 dollars a month on insurance for his daughter and him. Hes a single dad and is already behind on rent and other bills.

I love how the OP thinks that by lowering the amount of people uncovered by 3-5% shows that this has been a success, the problem is that it was supposed to eliminate uncovered people. Now those 10-15% that aren't covered are going to be fined because the US government says its illegal to not have health insurance.


ObamaCare = Redistribution of our $



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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alienreality
The ACA is working? I suppose if you call the ACA what it resembles, then maybe it is. The ACA is just an automatic poop throwing monkey. And those that think it is working have a fetish for that kind of thing. Obama doesn't even bother to tell you it's raining either. He's too busy laughing about the whole thing..


He won't be laughing come the November 2014 Mid-term elections.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 11:10 AM
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Why did the state opt out? because after so many years, they would have been left holding part of the subsidy for the medicaid coverage, when if it was federally mandated, the fed should pay 100% of the bill, which is unfeasible.

ETA: Yes I know how to read, dont attempt to insult my intelligence
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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 11:14 AM
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Gryphon66
Wow, what was that statistic again? 32 million adults in the US who can't read. Shame that.

From the article:



Because Florida is one of the many states that has opted out of expanding Obamacare Medicaid coverage, Dill neither qualified for a public Medicaid plan nor the government subsidies offered to those who can afford to buy a private health plan. As a result, the 32-year-old mother succumbed to her heart condition, which she took medication for, but could not afford the tests to monitor.


Because = Cause of

Florida, the cause of Dill neither qualifying for a public Medicaid plan, ...



this is entirely correct.

what the poster is pointing out is that the ACA didn't help this woman...and it would be lunacy to assume there aren't more out there like her, who are not helped by it...

if the ACA was the grand fix-all reform that it's defenders claim it is, things like what happened to this woman, would not happen

it is an example of how the ACA is not a success..



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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rickynews


'Shill"..."troll" and name calling = Losing the argument.

only when it's done immediately, without any discussion.

if you review the thread, you'll find that there has been much discussion, much exchange of fact and opinion, and the poster continues to say things that are unreasonable, or completely untrue...the poster has a clear agenda, and is not here to have a real discussion, simply to recite talking points, incite anger, and ilicit a negative response from people...

remember, he stated himself that he only thinks it's working, because it's pissing people off.

sorry man, but that kind of behavior is textbook troll/shill



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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The ACA has been successful in one thing. Being the most gigantic felony fraud to ever go unpunished. False claims, false advertising, misrepresentation by multiple parties to sell this product. The product is a fraud. Not one of the claims that was made for it are true. Maybe another success of the ACA is that when it was forced into being an alleged "law" it automatically takes anyone cooperating with it off of life support. No more brain activity can be measured in people who bend over for this tyrannical death machine.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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Just like my son that can not qualify for "neither" at least he have prefect health, no so for so many unfortunately souls out there that believe in Obamacare and how much it was supposedly help them have an insurance, now you can see that Obama fraud was not intended for the very poor but it was specifically to target the working middle productive class, that the government can control using the IRS because after all they are the ones that pay most of the taxes in the nation, they will be forced to pay wanted or not, first to bailout the insurance business and be gouged at will by them, second to pay for the subsidies that somebody will be getting, while the very poor still will be at the mercy of the system, in todays low income job America that group is expanding incredibly as we speak.

Now people can understand what Obamafraud was all about.


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posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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Yes, there has been a discussion, there has been a lot of back and forth, with people pointing out facts, and opinions. There's also been a lot of name calling. A lot towards me personally, while I kept it towards a political ideology itself for the most part.

It's ok though, that was the point of this thread, to show people for who they really are.

I said in the OP that the ACA isn't perfect and has a lot of work to go. I'm not denying that there are indeed problems. My only claim is that it's better than what it was. Not perfect mind you, better.

Misdirected anger appears to be the hallmark of the conservative agenda.

Can't be mad at those "Job Creators" now can we? Oh heaven forfend. The most holy "Job Creators" must always be protected at all costs. Because as we all know, if you worship the most holy "Job Creators" enough and offer them sacrifices of money. They eventually get full and trickle down upon their true worshipers blessings and fortune.

So, in true conservative fashion. We the People handed over to these same "Job Creators" an offering in the form of the ACA. Millions of people getting health care coverage through private businesses. And lo, the most holy "Job Creators" looked upon the offering and truly were pleased. Now, that they have slaked their thirst for money, the blessings of the most holy "Job Creators" must be forthcoming right?

What? No? Tell me it isn't so? Tell me that they had their fill of our offerings and blessed the masses with cheaper insurance rates? No? Well, can't be offended at the most holy "Job Creators" now can we? No, can't do that. It must be those evil liberals that did this. They don't worship the most holy "Job Creators" like conservatives do. It is their failure that the most holy "Job Creators" have rejected our offering.

Misplaced anger. As I said.

Couldn't we as a people go to these insurance companies and say "Whoa there buddy, you got a sweet deal here folks. Time to get to doing that thing we call competitive business, start offering up some discounts, savings, more value for the money."

Cause of course we couldn't possibly regulate this, you know, ask our representatives to force insurance companies to lower their rates. Because the health care lobby would never allow that.

But ya know what? Be angry at me personally, because it's all MY fault after all. Oh please, call me shill, call me troll, because after all, I'm the one you're really mad at. How dare I point out the reality of the situation? How awful of me to show how the extreme right wing is freaking the hell out over the ACA and it's misguided and misplaced anger is towards this law and the problems with it isn't the law's fault, or this administrations fault, but directly the fault of the health care lobby. Who despite having a ton of new people on the rolls somehow doesn't understand that maybe they should lower their rates to something reasonable.

But of course, i'm just a shill, and a troll after all.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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Elton

HauntWokI'm actually quite sick and tired of trying to talk to these people on a reasonable level, they don't have a reasonable level and frankly I have little time to even try with these people anymore. And frankly the country should be fed up with them as well and call them all out for what they truly are.


I feel that way about both parties much of the time. I think the 2 party system may be a bit broken at this point.


To say that the two party system is a bit broken at this point, is a bit of an understatement.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 01:52 PM
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HauntWok
But of course, i'm just a shill, and a troll after all.



Good for you, recognizing your problems is a first step to your recovery.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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HauntWok
But of course, i'm just a shill, and a troll after all.


Maybe not a shill, or troll, but certainly more than a little over zealous in your oozing love of all things Obama, and clear disdain for all things not.



posted on Apr, 13 2014 @ 01:57 PM
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HauntWok
Yes, there has been a discussion, there has been a lot of back and forth, with people pointing out facts, and opinions. There's also been a lot of name calling. A lot towards me personally, while I kept it towards a political ideology itself for the most part.


did you ever consider that perhaps all the venom being spat in your direction is a result of your refusal to acknowledge facts and reality? your willful embrace of ignorance, and deathgrip-like clinging to a belief, despite a preponderance of facts, evidence, and proof to the contrary?



It's ok though, that was the point of this thread, to show people for who they really are.


and who are we? what silly label would you like to associate with us, in order to justify your ridicule, and denial?



I said in the OP that the ACA isn't perfect and has a lot of work to go. I'm not denying that there are indeed problems. My only claim is that it's better than what it was. Not perfect mind you, better.


yet you have, thus far, failed to explain exactly HOW it is better.....the ONLY provision of the bill that is undeniably beneficial to the people, could have been passed all on it's own....that single provision is not the ACA...it is but a component, a part...the ACA is the sum of it's parts..the vast majority of which, are quite bad, and harmful to "the people", as a whole.



Misdirected anger appears to be the hallmark of the conservative agenda.


again with the labels. and how is the anger misdirected? you come on here, showing a vigorous support for a bill that, as a whole, is very bad, very harmful....a bill that has been mired in controversy, and shady dealings since it's initial conception...a bill that was passed without having been read by the majority of the people who voted "yea" for it...

you blindly support it, despite it's deleterious effects on the people, and their posterity. THAT is why people here are angry with you...it's NOT misdirected.



Can't be mad at those "Job Creators" now can we? Oh heaven forfend. The most holy "Job Creators" must always be protected at all costs. Because as we all know, if you worship the most holy "Job Creators" enough and offer them sacrifices of money. They eventually get full and trickle down upon their true worshipers blessings and fortune.

So, in true conservative fashion. We the People handed over to these same "Job Creators" an offering in the form of the ACA. Millions of people getting health care coverage through private businesses. And lo, the most holy "Job Creators" looked upon the offering and truly were pleased. Now, that they have slaked their thirst for money, the blessings of the most holy "Job Creators" must be forthcoming right?

What? No? Tell me it isn't so? Tell me that they had their fill of our offerings and blessed the masses with cheaper insurance rates? No? Well, can't be offended at the most holy "Job Creators" now can we? No, can't do that. It must be those evil liberals that did this. They don't worship the most holy "Job Creators" like conservatives do. It is their failure that the most holy "Job Creators" have rejected our offering.


what in the blue hell are you jibbering on about? all i see is a rant filled with talk of "job creators", and political labels....what the christ are you trying to say?



Misplaced anger. As I said.


sorry you see it this way.

when you say the sky is purple, and even after people prove to you that it's blue, you continue to insist it's purple...you reduce them to a label, and insist that they're lying, or stupid, because they're part of that label....how can people help being angry with you?

did it ever occur to you that perhaps the sky really IS blue, and there is just something wrong with your eyes?


Couldn't we as a people go to these insurance companies and say "Whoa there buddy, you got a sweet deal here folks. Time to get to doing that thing we call competitive business, start offering up some discounts, savings, more value for the money."

Cause of course we couldn't possibly regulate this, you know, ask our representatives to force insurance companies to lower their rates. Because the health care lobby would never allow that.


i submit that we don't need HMOs at all....we don't need a "health insurance industry". i submit that the idea of profiting off the suffering of others is a most macabre, morbid, ghoulish, morally reprehensible, and distasteful practice, and shouldn't exist....but hey, there are a lot of other things in the world of modern "politics" that shouldn't exist, but do....medicine shouldn't be a political issue, nor should it be done for profit..



But ya know what? Be angry at me personally, because it's all MY fault after all. Oh please, call me shill, call me troll, because after all, I'm the one you're really mad at. How dare I point out the reality of the situation? How awful of me to show how the extreme right wing is freaking the hell out over the ACA and it's misguided and misplaced anger is towards this law and the problems with it isn't the law's fault, or this administrations fault, but directly the fault of the health care lobby. Who despite having a ton of new people on the rolls somehow doesn't understand that maybe they should lower their rates to something reasonable.

But of course, i'm just a shill, and a troll after all.


the ACA isn't YOUR fault....nobody ever said it was...

what IS your fault is your blind support of it, in the face of clear demonstration of how lousy it really is.. stop the "poor me", "little red hen" routine...it's tiresome...

how is it NOT this law's fault? it was written by the same industry that stands to benefit from it the most.

how is it NOT this administration's fault? they championed it, lied about how great it was, and passed the goddamn thing into law...

this claim of wanting to "show people for who they are" is bollocks...from the first post, the entire tone, and intent of this thread has been to do nothing but incite argument, and give you a soapbox to toss around your misinformed opinions, and propaganda, label people, and ridicule anyone who disagrees with you......

this isn't a public service, it's trolling for stars, flags, and social discord.
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