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How do we get rid of ObamaCare?

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posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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Be angry at who you want,but your crappy employer made an executive decision to screw you, instead of being a responsible and note worthy environment to work in.


Yes, well, the reality is that it is the only employer that I got.
And I am not alone in this situation.

We can't always pick and choose who we work for and get by in this world,
wouldn't it be great if we could?

I am just happy to have a job.
And I happen to love the job I have...
Crappy employer to you, one of the greatest jobs I have ever had to me.








edit on 8-4-2014 by Darkblade71 because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:38 PM
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Prior to Obamacare, there were two options to fix our healthcare industry.

1. Reduce cost so that everyone could afford healthcare.


2. Find a way for everyone to pay for the high costs of healthcare.


It is obvious that the government took option 2.

Option 1 would have left healthcare up to the individual.

While option 2 removes that individual decision and places control into the hands of government.

We need to look at ways to satisfy the dilemma of high costs to solve problems that people like you and others face.



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:39 PM
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strawburry

How about this for a trade.

You all don't pay ObamaCare, it gets scrapped, BUT in return, you pay the health care costs of all the people you bombed and killed over the past decades.

Suddenly that makes ObamaCare a better propasition no?


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Seriously 3 people gave you stars for this?!??!?!?!?!!?!?

Does obama care cover the cost of all those people that got bombed and killed over the past decades????????
That would be the only situation where this trade off would be relevant..
Again, do you understand how the ACA works??



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:39 PM
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kosmicjack
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The answer is clear. ACA was put forth based on the sheer volume of people uninsured, which has steadily increased along with the rise of globalization and corporate profits.

Profits are at an all time high while wages and benefits are horribly low.

Blaming Obama and the ACA is like blaming the Good Samaritan who stopped to help after some (corporate) criminals stole your wallet, kicked your ass and left you for dead.


Then why hasn't millions signed up for it?



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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Crappy employer to you, one of the greatest jobs I have ever had to me.


I've mostly worked for myself my whole life, but I will tell you one thing.

I would NEVER as an employer, have disrespected the people who put food on MY table, through their hard work and dedication to MY company in the face of bad government legislation. A business has FAR more power to lobby for change than a person does.

~tenth



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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They have, it's what 3 million now or 7?



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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beezzer
reply to post by AboveBoard
 


Prior to Obamacare, there were two options to fix our healthcare industry.

1. Reduce cost so that everyone could afford healthcare.


2. Find a way for everyone to pay for the high costs of healthcare.


It is obvious that the government took option 2.

Option 1 would have left healthcare up to the individual.

While option 2 removes that individual decision and places control into the hands of government.

We need to look at ways to satisfy the dilemma of high costs to solve problems that people like you and others face.


It goes back to your first post. Tort reform and interstate policies and allowing small businesses to group up. Alos, getting all the illegals out of the system.
For what we can do now, don't sign up and vote them out.



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:44 PM
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tothetenthpower
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They have, it's what 3 million now or 7?


How many were/are uninsured?

40-50 million?

How many more have the terrible employer insurance?

We have 350 million in the US.

So we have between 1 and 2%?

Add the fact that Obama has delayed much of this because it'd cause major disruptions, higher unemployment and more uninsured.



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:49 PM
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I do hear what you are saying,
but I have to go with what is in front of me.

I have no choice,it is FORCED.

All I can do, is do what I am doing,
not comply with a system I see failing before it ever even got going.
And I flip my finger up at the ACA.

I'll take my chances with my health, pay the fine, and hope that millions of others do the same so that it fails.


Thanks for entertaining me in the mud pit, I now take my leave as this really does make me mad. I am watching my country erode one law after another, and things like the ACA just get me PO'ed.
(which is why I came and threw some mud)

Peace!



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:55 PM
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OMG, is there anything you'll ever say that's positive about this, or is ideology really just running rampant here?

7 MILLION people out of 330 million IS actually significant. What if it's 50 million by next year?

I'm sure they'll be something else to complain about to prevent any kind of good things to be said.

Also 7 million out of 50 is almost 1/5. If that's not progress to you then I dunno what to say.

~Tenth
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posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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AnteBellum,

Here are the loop holes for avoiding the ACA tax:

Forbes

I don't know if that will help you or anyone else here, but I did find it and thought to share it... (it's probably been made into a thread somewhere here on ATS too...)

peace,
AB



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:04 PM
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Because it's not perfect.

Hell, I admit it has drawbacks and problems - it may not even be workable..it's too soon to tell..but it's not the the real issue.

The issue is greed.

Citizens of the wealthiest nation in human history have deplorable yet outrageously expensive basic health care compared to other western nations because money trumps basic human rights. Or should I say corporate profit supersedes the health and longevity of corporate human resources?



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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tothetenthpower
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OMG, is there anything you'll ever say that's positive about this, or is ideology really just running rampant here?

7 MILLION people out of 330 million IS actually significant. What if it's 50 million by next year?

I'm sure they'll be something else to complain about to prevent any kind of good things to be said.

Also 7 million out of 50 is almost 1/5. If that's not progress to you then I dunno what to say.

~Tenth
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I don't give a tinkers damn if it was all unicorns and rainbows.

I AM BEING MANDATED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO PARTICIPATE

I should be free enough to self-determine my own damned life!!!



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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kosmicjack
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Because it's not perfect.

Hell, I admit it has drawbacks and problems - it may not even be workable..it's too soon to tell..but it's not the the real issue.

The issue is greed.

Citizens of the wealthiest nation in human history have deplorable yet outrageously expensive basic health care compared to other western nations because money trumps basic human rights. Or should I say corporate profit supersedes the health and longevity of corporate human resources?


I made a prediction a while back. It is not self-sustaining.

The insurance companies will require a bail-out from government.

It'll be single-payer (by proxy) before the year is out.



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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yeah but there's mandates for almost everything these dasys.

Need car insurance don't you?

You are MANDATED by the government to not kill people, to not steal, to not J-walk.

There are a VARIETY of things that as a society you have to decide are WORTH pooling together resources for the sake of everybody.

Ask the plethora of industrialized nations who have socialist programs that were 'forced' upon them by one means or another. Go ahead, ask the ones who grew up with it, or after it was in practice for 10 years. They'll tell you the same thing.

It's not perfect, but it's better than what you had. And if you wanna talk about the 1% of americans who are loosing their current plans for more expensive ones, well you can't always have 100% winners.

Pretty sure 10 to 1 is a damn good ratio.

~Tenth


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posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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I honestly don't get people. I have worked in and around the insurance industry for most of my adult life. I KNOW the vile things that some of them would, could and DID do for the sake of "profit". Yes, a lot of people "lost" their health plans, however, most of those plans didn't meet the requirements and had to be replaced with a plan that met the requirements of Obamacare. As a financial councilor at a various hospitals throughout my career I have had to tell people "Sorry, no more chemo. Your insurance says they won't cover any more" or "Sorry your baby was born with a hole in its heart, your insurance says they will not cover anything, its pre-existing", or people who were just mysteriously dropped for no reason whatsoever because they fell into some "category" the insurance didn't like. Yet no one CARED. As long as people had THEIR coverage they could have cared less about anyone else...until their turn came around.

So NOW, insurance must do the following:

cover people with pre-existing health conditions
Help you understand the coverage you’re getting
Be held accountable for rate increases
They are prohibited arbitrarily canceling your health insurance just because you get sick
Protects your choice of doctors
Covers young adults under 26
Provides free preventive care as part of your plan.
Ends lifetime and yearly dollar limits on coverage of essential health benefits

ObamaCare helps to curb the growth in healthcare spending. (I have seen this for myself)

Additional benefits your plan is required to provide now include:

Free aspirin (to prevent heart disease in older men and women); as prescribed by your doc.
Screening for depression
Flu shots
STD counseling (for people at high risk)
Help quitting smoking, such as tobacco use screenings
Folic acid supplements (for pregnant women)
Breastfeeding support and supplies, like breast pumps
Domestic violence screening and counseling (for women)
Substance abuse counseling
Services to help overcome long-term disabilities and chronic conditions

Even with all of the above insurance companies are STILL making money hand over fist. Huge profits.

So I see a lot of bitching and moaning about how awful Obamacare is and how it is going to ruin our country. What from the list above don't you agree with any WHY? And what is your alternative exactly? Should we just continue to let the insurances companies run wild?



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posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:16 PM
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tothetenthpower
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yeah but there's mandates for almost everything these dasys.

Need car insurance don't you?

You are MANDATED by the government to not kill people, to not steal, to not J-walk.

There are a VARIETY of things that as a society you have to decide are WORTH pooling together resources for the sake of everybody.

Ask the plethora of industrialized nations who have socialist programs that were 'forced' upon them by one means or another. Go ahead, ask the ones who grew up with it, or after it was in practice for 10 years. They'll tell you the same thing.

It's not perfect, but it's better than what you had. And if you wanna talk about the 1% of americans who are loosing their current plans for more expensive ones, well you can't always have 100% winners.

Pretty sure 10 to 1 is a damn good ratio.

~Tenth


I only need car insurance if I own a car.

I have to get Obamacare simply because I exist.

Can't have 100% winners?

Then why Obamacare when most were happy before hand?



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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Thanks AB,
I'm still trying to digest most of what this thread has produced in the past few hours.
But I will most certainly get to it soon!

AB



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:23 PM
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It won't go away Until at least 2017 . With a New President and more People Friendly Reps. and Senators , it could be Repealed .



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 05:24 PM
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Then why didn't they just mandate it on the insurance companies instead forcing everyone to buy it or be taxed/fined?



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