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what i have trouble wrapping my skull around is the concept of duality:
the judgmental forgiving god?
hell or forgiveness?
and to play devils advocate here
is blaming the "debble" not avoidance of the responsibility we have to decide and carry out justice?edit on Tuepm4b20144America/Chicago47 by Danbones because: (no reason given)
Describing sexual abuse of minors as "a crime prosecuted by civil law," the doctrinal congregation said bishops should follow local laws when they require reporting cases of sexual abuse to police.
The Vatican has insisted that church law requires bishops and religious superiors to obey local laws on reporting suspected crimes; however, it also has said that where reporting is not mandatory and the victim does not want to go to the police, the victim's wishes must be respected.
Some countries have stricter norms, for example, "in cases where there is a justified suspicion" of abuse, the bishops of Switzerland said the church should go to the police, "unless the victim or his representative objects."
However, they added, if there appears to be an "immediate danger" of a church employee sexually abusing a child again, the police must be informed. (Source)
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What are we 'allowed' to do then, after the 491st offense? (sorry, I don't have the bible memorized).
I find it hard to accept that we have a benevolent God who would rather have clergymen keep secrets when children are being abused. (confession) Even harder to accept that all these sins are okay with God.
I'd rather expect that the 'sinners' would be weeded out as they try to climb the religious ladder, but no...they get promoted.
Colour me confused....
It should be clear now that Satan has not only infiltrated the church, but now works to control the policies of the church.
People of faith would be wise to abandon organized religion completely, and worship privately apart from the church. Especially in these times.
if the victim asks that it not be reported
However, they added, if there appears to be an "immediate danger" of a church employee sexually abusing a child again, the police must be informed.
"unless the victim or his representative objects."
ROME (CNS) -- The Italian bishops' conference encouraged its members to cooperate with civil authorities in cases of clerical sexual abuse, but said the bishops have no legal obligation to report abuse allegations to the police or other civil authorities.
In addition, the new Italian church norms say the bishops "are exonerated" from releasing to the state documents in their possession or information connected with abuse cases.
“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
“And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
Vatican City’s equal age of consent is being raised from 12 to 18 following the announcement of an overhaul of the Catholic Church’s criminal code by Pope Francis.
Francis has also ordered that Vatican City adopt international norms to prevent transnational criminal activities.
Vatican City raises age of consent from 12 to 18 following scandals
However Francis has also made it a crime for agents of the church to leak Vatican information after Vatican butler to Pope Benedict XVI, Paolo Gabriele, leaked information about corruption within the Catholic church - potentially discouraging whistleblowers.
What are you championing and condoning?
You are not going have a huge church with all the fancy priests standing with you when your time comes you will stand or fall on your own merit.
As a Catholic, I was appalled to hear of this, but at least it sent me to go find the actual facts of what these Bishops said.
where reporting is not mandatory and the victim does not want to go to the police, the victim's wishes must be respected.
there is no reason to assume that they will not seek ways to do the same now and in the future in cases where it is possible for them to cover up abuse.
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Why are these high ranking religious officials so damn awful??!!
Aren't they supposed to be good people...representing 'God'...doing good in the world...helping people?
I just don't understand.
Aren't they here to help us, do good, all that stuff? No?
Doesn't their 'God' frown on (aka condemn to a fiery pit in Hell) people who do bad things...to children....?
Yet they persist. Hmmm...what do they know that we don't?
S&F for getting me all fired up before 9 am, lol.
It is a cleverly crafted loophole in policy that leaves open the possibility that abuse can be covered up.