reply to post by Rex282
The numbers are only parts of equations like adding up letter numbers to sum names.Yes there are values however they are NOT super natural
mystic values.They are signifying the nature of the sum.What I've found is the most prominent theme is names because they are essentially sums of the
things named...and that's about where the mystery cannot be explored much further.To do so is extreme speculative extrapolation.The numbers purpose is
to signify what is, was and will be as John wrote in Revelation.It is not a "mystic code" of past ,present or future historical events.
We can "observe" the patterns however to try and "quantify" what their part in the BIG equation is impossible.There are just to many infinite
unknowable invariables.,,and that's my point of the "mysticism" of numerology,kabala etc.It is trying to quantify the unknowable so it's a futile
endeavor.It is projecting an effect with no cause.
No, the numbers themselves are not important without the associations, whether it's associations in an equation or its association or relationships or
connections or I say tomato, you say tomatoe.
33 not important. I get it from my birthday sure. But it's other connections are what give it it's "mystical" properties. 33 the age Jesus died. The
number of years Solomons Temple stood. The number of years King David reigned. The number of beads on muslim prayer beads or they are in numbered
patterns of 33. Misbaha and Tasbih. Elohim appears in the bible 33 times. There are 33 gaps, potentially 33 turns of DNA. The spine has 33 vertabrae.
Is symbolized as the staff in the caduceus. 11 sephiroth on the Tree of Life, when including the hidden sephiroth Daath, or knowledge. 22 paths.
11+22=33. It's also connected to 37 and even 1111 in a few ways and I'm contemplating starting a new thread or putting that down here.
ANYWAYS, it's the associations and the fact these numbers pop up over and over again that give them significance. Shoot I should have went with 11
since 11 has a ridiculous amount of associations but I have fewer 33 so it's faster lol.
The equations themselves aren't as beautiful to me as the sum and their relationships to the world. Phi or phi wouldn't be what it is today without it
cropping up everywhere, giving it the reputation it has today as the Golden Ratio that's found probably everywhere in nature.
To me numbers are just symbols just like anything else and that they have a deeper meaning to convey. By the way, I'm not Christian, I don't even
think Jesus existed, just another story like Krishna or Horus to control the population much easier. Just got the feeling you were trying to imply
that I believed in the bible literally or something.
No, numerology is just trying to get across that nothing is coincidence, not the numbers that represent your time of birth on a jacked up calendar,
or the name you were given at birth. All of it is symbolic and can be broken down into a numerical language who's end sums actually have a message to
convey about us. I'm sorry you think astrology and numerology is bogus. You should look yourself.
666 is not superstitious to me at all.I never said that.
I'm sorry, I forgot to put superstitious nonsense in response to your comment. My fingers don't move as fast my mind and I missed that on my double
check. I was only referring to the idea that it has a greater impact then imagined or could have a greater impact with the ingraining of 666 as the
mark of the Beast on collective consciousness into their unconscious minds.
Before I go any further it needs to be KNOWN so I will state again.The book of Revelation is NOT predictions or prophecies of past present or
future historical events.ALL of it is written by"signifying"(it clearly states that in the first verse).There is NOTHING about the "Antichrist" in it
at all which is so easily verifiable yet multitudes of people refuse to believe it in complete ignorance of the fact.That kind of speculative
extrapolations of the scriptures is strong evidence to why the multitude of "theological" and secular theories about it are patently incorrect.It is a
math thing.If someone can't sum 1+1=2 correctly(from the 1st verse!) all of their calculations will most likely be incorrect.
The book of Revelation is about ONE thing (just as all the scriptures) The delivering of mankind (and all the physical universe) from the realm of
death.It is a synopsis allegory that has it's "numbers" on the outside and of course the inside in isopsephia.There is no way to "decipher it.It was
never meant to be.It stands as a testimony to its truth.That is its sole purpose.Even if it could be "interpreted" it wouldn't change anything.Only
the person who understood it would know.It can't be taught it could only be know.It can't be "altered" to "change history..
Well, although I am glad you do not look at the Bible as a literal source of literal, factual source of solid history on what really happened back in
the day. But I believe it is symbolic and has many nuggets of Truth like all religions, I'm sure you'd agree to the point in things like in certain
philosophical statements. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I mean even deeper then that in all religions.
Couldn't be altered how to change history? It's impact in people who believe in it in some form? That what's written in there will happen no matter
what? If it is known and understood in it's true symbolism, it can be taught. Just like anything else.
The 616 "theory" is completely false.It's speculation to cause controversy. The vast majority of all the ancient manuscripts clearly state
666.The mark of the beast is not the number 666.Revelation doesn't say that.666 is the number of the "name"
How is it completely false?
So just another example that sums in equations or the numbers used in the equations only grow more fascinating with their associations. Everything to
me is a symbol, living to "non-living".
Not saying it is or it isn't but it has been brought up before. Then 13 becomes the number of the Beast.
On that note...the number in Rev 14 is 144 thousand.Revelation 7 is the 144,000.I agree it has a connection to the number nine (most
significant "sums" do) .That number is definitely connected to 666 because there were no chapter breaks.Rev13:18 with it's 666 number is followed
directly by Rev14:1and it's 144 thousand.These numbers are at the core of the bigger equation of Revelation which is the "testimony" of the
deliverance of all of mankind from death ....here-fore called salvation.
Like all math it signifies truth.I see you are familiar with the Fibonacci number(Fn) sequence and as you know the Fn sum the Golden ratio by dividing
adjacent Fn.The common core to all sums of equations are ratios(relationships).That is what the math in Revelation is signifying.The Golden ratio
which in Rev 21 is called the golden rod of measurement.
Again the Golden Ratio by itself means nothing without its associations, connections, relationships, ratios. Tomato, tomatoe. But interesting, I had
never looked at Revelations like that or heard about that. Very interesting. I agree on the whole 144,000 thing. But I did take the number into
consideration as extra data.
144 thousand isn't a number of a certain "people" that are "special".It signifies the "will be" relationship of mankind to the creator God.The
Golden ratio.144,(89/144 and 233/144) thousand/1000 is the first fruit.The first fruit of the harvest to mature(is).
btw phi/Phi is what 1000 signifies.phi is the 21st letter of Greek(btw 21 =Fn8) it's isopsephia number is 500.
upper and lower case
This isn't mysticism of as above so below.... it's math...My point is numbers DO NOT have an isolated meaning as has been taught...in other words an 8
is just an 8.It doesn't" mean" new beginnings as commonly taught by Christians.That is based in numerology superstition.However the number 888 in an
equation means ALOT!For example
That's a Pythagorean right triangle and it has significant meaning in math.666 and 888 are Inextricably linked in that equation(and many many more
that are much more complicated!).However they aren't yin and yang Christ and Antichrist.They sum another number and create a multitude of equations
that presently mankind has no idea what they mean ...except in practical math application.That is how the creator God has "testified" to the
Truth...through the inscrutable language of math...to pervert it into the mysticism of numerology or kabala or bible codes is incorrect and
Alright, that's interesting. The thing is, you're using the english language, granted their are sounds and words that may be similar, but the system
of numerology, I believe, should be used for the language it was designed for. Some rules might be similar, applying Kabalistic, modern day Chaldean,
or even Greek numerology.
Numbers in an equation are not as meaningful to me then the relationships a number has, although including it's use in equations as well.
There is MUCH to be said about the Math however it is NOT "spirit science" or whatever some people call it.No one is going to "figure " out the
creator God by gematria or even math.It only signifies what IS.Something as simple as the addition of the sons of Israel simply "signifies" what is
true.Is there significance in names YES!!The majority of all my calculations always lead back to names and relationships(ratios)...it is the common
thread...however the mysticism has no part of it...it is just a false trail that leads to nowhere.
Knowing truth is the central purpose for everything. It can't be found in mysticism of ANY kind.
You won't figure out the Creator God at all. You may figure out many things, but no one things is going to help you "figure" out God or the All.
EXACTLY! It signifies what is. But what is the sum's relationship to the person. I think it's just deeper then the use in the equation and the end
I don't think the trail leads nowhere. For me numerology, astrology and other forms of divination have been useful tools on my own road to Self
Discovery and the expansion of my consciousness. There is a deeper meaning when these numbers get applied to consciousness.
What part is the mysticism part. Could you clear up your definition and the how in it's application to numbers.
I don't set my opinions in stone, I always look for deeper answers in life, astrology and numerology have been a part of mystery schools for a very
long time. You can figure something out by it's associations and the patterns it weaves.
Here's a site I went to a long time ago that created on my birthday lol and pertains to 11:11.
But anyways, Truth like Phi, is everywhere. Especially in the places you don't think they'd be.
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