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neoholographic
reply to post by BayesLike
Again, you're not talking about science. They're are plenty of hypotheses that aren't testable. Just because a theory isn't falsifiable doesn't mean it's lacking evidence to support it. It just means we may not have the technology to test it.
I know you want to turn science into something it's not when it comes to U.F.O.'s but ask your friend Phage. The ET Hypothesis is scientifically valid.
Do I believe it is possible that we are being visited by ETs? Sure.
Do I believe there is "proof" that it is in fact happening? No.
Empirical evidence supporting a hypothesis or even a theory does NOT amount to "proof". Theories are not fact.
The hypothesis as stated, "some UFOs are controlled by extraterrestrials", cannot be falsified.
A hypothesis is either a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon, or a reasoned prediction of a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena. In science, a theory is a tested, well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven hypotheses. A theory is always backed by evidence; a hypothesis is only a suggested possible outcome, and is testable and falsifiable.
To say that some UFOs aren't controlled by extraterrestrials you have to show that just some (even just one) UFOs are not controlled by extraterrestrials. That would prove that some UFOs are not controlled by extraterrestrials.
Panic2k11
reply to post by Phage
The hypothesis as stated, "some UFOs are controlled by extraterrestrials", cannot be falsified.
That makes no sense, of course it can be falsified, even using the broader definition of the terms...
How do you prove that no UFOs are controlled by extraterrestrials? If you can't do that the hypothesis is not falsifiable.
That makes no sense, of course it can be falsified, even using the broader definition of the terms...
How do you prove that no UFOs are controlled by extraterrestrials? If you can't do that the hypothesis is not falsifiable.
If you can define what was seen then surely it's no longer a UFO? If you cannot identify what you are looking at then you cannot say what is 'controlling' it, therefore you cannot falsify it. Isn't that the point?
Not entirely true but in this case it is.
As I said no negative can be validated (or disproved).
If it cannot be shown to be false it is not falsifiable.
Notice that you specifically stated hypothesis and an hypothesis can indeed be false and so falsifiable as I also said.
In the context of this thread it does because like the ETH, it is not falsifiable.
You keep mentioning this unicorn making rainbows and it makes no sense.
EnPassant
Why does the evidence have to be 'scientific'? Sometimes common sense evidence can take on such force it is tantamount to proof. In discussions like this the line between evidence and proof is confused. Whether proof exists is debatable because proof depends on how the evidence is interpreted. Some people argue that the ET hypothesis is already proved (Friedman).
The real problem here is that, in the strictest sense, nothing can be proved. You cannot even prove that you are reading this post; it can always be argued that you are dreaming or hallucinating. Proof belongs in the realm of mathematics alone.
This means that the real question is concerned with when evidence becomes proof. not everyone will agree on this. Some will have higher standards than others.
Another standard is the concept of "beyond reasonable doubt". In this respect some will argue for the ET hypothesis.
S+F for the OP. Very well written and presented.edit on 8-4-2014 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)
Phage
reply to post by neoholographic
In the context of this thread it does because like the ETH, it is not falsifiable.
You keep mentioning this unicorn making rainbows and it makes no sense.
Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by neoholographic
OK -- Let's stipulate that (from the standpoint of the scientific method) the ET hypothesis has enough evidence to say it is "proven"...
...now what?
edit on 4/9/2014 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)
neoholographic
Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by neoholographic
OK -- Let's stipulate that (from the standpoint of the scientific method) the ET hypothesis has enough evidence to say it is "proven"...
...now what?
edit on 4/9/2014 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)
If there was enough evidence to say it's proven, then we should be preparing to greet them as a planet. It should be a worldwide effort because it's proven.
It's not proven but there's evidence. So at this point we need to continue to build the evidence as technology increases and we're able to look for life and signatures of life in our solar system and on exoplanets.