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skeptics don't want to believe because it makes them less ...American perhaps?
neoholographic
First, off Hawking explanation as to why U.F.O.'s aren't visiting earth isn't plausible. If it were, I would agree with him. He says they only appear to cranks and weirdos. These people don't look like cranks and weirdos.
Phage
reply to post by RebelHart
skeptics don't want to believe because it makes them less ...American perhaps?
Skeptics are limited to US citizens?
That's a new one. It seems to me that they tend to be critical thinkers, regardless of nationality.
edit on 4/14/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)
I was being sarcastic. btw my critical thinking lead me to question everything I thought I knew
Phage
reply to post by EnPassant
Yes. Incidents can be falsified. The ETH cannot be. It has been shown that Venus has been mistaken for a UFO. Does that falsify all eyewitness reports?
It would be enough to demonstrate that trace evidence can be explained in another way and that it is not reasonable to believe ufo photos are what they seem. This would constitute falsifiability.
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ETH is falsifiable if it is shown that a significant number of reports are bogus. But falsifying would also require that the evidence in other domains are also bogus - such as landing traces, abductee reports etc.
EnPassant
No. But if there is a preponderance of witness reports that strengthens the ETH it is a valid hypothesis and it is falsifiable. ETH is falsifiable if it is shown that a significant number of reports are bogus. But falsifying would also require that the evidence in other domains are also bogus - such as landing traces, abductee reports etc. this is very difficult but practical difficulties are not the issue here. All that is required is that in principle reports etc are falsifiable and I don't see anything in ufology that is not falsifiable.
neoholographic
reply to post by Phage
First, off Hawking explanation as to why U.F.O.'s aren't visiting earth isn't plausible. If it were, I would agree with him. He says they only appear to cranks and weirdos. These people don't look like cranks and weirdos.
JiggyPotamus
I think that denying the possibility that some UFO's are controlled by extraterrestrials is quite ignorant. How can anyone think they possess a knowledge so advanced that they can answer such questions by dismissing the possibility? Even someone who doesn't believe in aliens, or in aliens visiting earth, should at the very least acknowledge the possibility. It just seems like common sense to me to be honest.
JiggyPotamus
I think that denying the possibility that some UFO's are controlled by extraterrestrials is quite ignorant. How can anyone think they possess a knowledge so advanced that they can answer such questions by dismissing the possibility? Even someone who doesn't believe in aliens, or in aliens visiting earth, should at the very least acknowledge the possibility. It just seems like common sense to me to be honest.
What's amusing is that in just a few thousand (or tens of thousand—your guess is as good as mine, if we survive as a species) years time, our race may play role of extraterrestrial visitor to a primitive civilisation light years (or in another dimension, if such a thing exists) from planet Earth, and elect to study them quietly, or risk provoking widespread panic. This theory is easily debunked, too.
ZetaRediculian
reply to post by EnPassant
ETH is falsifiable if it is shown that a significant number of reports are bogus. But falsifying would also require that the evidence in other domains are also bogus - such as landing traces, abductee reports etc.
ET may or may not be involved with sightings, landing traces or abduction reports. in fact, these all may be separate things. crop circles are lumped in with landing traces. if crop circles are falsified because people can make them easily, then that should falsify any circle left on the ground. abductions can be explained and even reproduced.
How does falsifying a "significant" number of reports falsify the ETH? To me a "significant" number was reached last week but more reports came in. At what point can we stop and say the ETH has been falsified and any future reports of UFOs are "bogus" by default?
As cool as all these reports are, there is nothing linking them to ET which we don't even know exists. Why cant my missing socks be due to aliens? There is no other explanation and I had a weird dream about aliens.
BayesLike
EnPassant
No. But if there is a preponderance of witness reports that strengthens the ETH it is a valid hypothesis and it is falsifiable. ETH is falsifiable if it is shown that a significant number of reports are bogus. But falsifying would also require that the evidence in other domains are also bogus - such as landing traces, abductee reports etc. this is very difficult but practical difficulties are not the issue here. All that is required is that in principle reports etc are falsifiable and I don't see anything in ufology that is not falsifiable.
With your clique's procedure we can use the same exact evidence to show Elvis is alive or that Santa Claus is real. We don't have to change anything in the stories other than replacing the label "alien" with Elvis or Santa. Collected stories are not evidence. They are just stories. There is nothing inherently alien in a story except for what you wish to believe. The entire assertion is mere self-delusion.
The ETH is not based on missing socks.
People don't arbitrarily ascribe ET to ufos, abduction reports and so on. The hypothesis is based on sound arguments. And it is built up on an accumulation of data. Falsifying ETH requires that much of this evidence and the arguments based thereon can be reasoned to be an unlikely explanation.
This has not been done so the hypothesis still stands.
A significant number of falsifications is determined by what is a reasonable percentage. People will disagree on what is reasonable but that is not the point. The point is that in principle the various items of evidence can be falsified. Not all of them can so many of them would have to be put on hold. But there are also the arguments that support ETH and these arguments would have to be shown to be unreasonable. We are not dealing with one thing here, we are dealing with many things so it is a question of percentages
ZetaRediculianI have ruled out every conceivable explanation yet my socks remain missing? If abductions occur than why couldn't my abductors steal my socks?
Who determines unlikeliness? Mainstream science has determined this unlikely already. Even if we were all to agree to an unlikeliness, there will still be a likeliness. There is no real "likeliness" or "unlikeliness" but the possibility remains. Likelihood is a mathematical term. What math can you show to determine likeliness? I think what you mean is show how ETH is not possible which can't be done.
At what point do we agree that there is a reasonable unlikeliness and all future sightings are bogus? If we decide right now that 99% of cases must be shown to be "bogus" and that figure is reached today, tomorrow it will be 98%.