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neoholographic
Yes it does. Sadly, you don't understand how science works. It's not the job of Science to prove the alternative hypothesis. In order to show crop circles are made by aliens you would have to give evidence that there's crop circles that can't be made by humans.
Again, we are not talking about obvious cases where an ufo turned out to be planet venus.
If it 'appears' to be doing intelligent things, then there is a very good chance that they are indeed under intelligent control.
neoholographic
reply to post by Ectoplasm8
It's simple.
I'm skeptical of bigfoot because he hasn't been caught. How can a primitive primate that big escape capture for so long especially as technology increases? I think bigfoot is most likely a misidentification of a known species.
There's a hypothesis that bigfoot is an alien. This hypothesis answers the question as to why bigfoot has been able to evade capture for so long. They're cases where U.F.O.'s have been seen with ape like beings.
In my mind, I can accept bigfoot as an alien before I can accept bigfoot as an unknown primate. I'm not saying bigfoot is an alien but you asked the question.
I have an open mind about things where most blind debunkers never look at evidence, So if evidence were presented to me that bigfoot is an alien, I wouldn't scoff at it.
At this point, I think bigfoot is most likely a misidentification of a known species whereas U.F.O.'s are an observed phenomena that can evade capture, move in ways that defies current understanding, cause malfunctions in cars and at nuclear sites and more.
So again, simple common sense tells you there's evidence for and against bigfoot which is different from the evidence for the ET hypothesis. It's very telling that blind debunkers want to lump all of these things together. It's all or nothing and they lack the common sense to make these simple distinctions.
So again, how can bigfoot evade capture even as technology advances, with U.F.O.'s this can easily be explained by the ET hypothesis.
Evidence that intelligent life is very short-lived is that we don't seem to have been visited by extra terrestrials. I'm discounting claims that UFOs contain aliens. Why would they appear only to cranks and weirdos?
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Further evidence that there isn't any intelligent life within a few hundred light years comes from the fact that SETI, the Search for Extra Terrestrial Life, hasn't picked up their television quiz shows. It is true that we advertise our presence by our broadcast. But given that we haven't been visited for four billion years, it isn't likely that aliens will come any time soon.
Phage
reply to post by radkrish
Plausible why? Because we know ET is visiting?
Why E.T? Because it a perfectly plausible and viable answer.
You didn't answer the second question. How do you go about demonstrating that no UFO reports involve extraterrestrials?
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ZetaRediculian
reply to post by radkrish
Again, we are not talking about obvious cases where an ufo turned out to be planet venus.
I once stood right next to someone that thought venus was something flying under intelligent control. Why wouldn't we talk about that?
If it 'appears' to be doing intelligent things, then there is a very good chance that they are indeed under intelligent control.
I am not so sure about that. pretty much every naturally occurring thing was once thought to be some kind of intelligence. Comets for example. Its kind of hard wired into us. It doesn't rule it out.
Well yeah, aliens have advanced unknown tech that can do all these amazing things. Like magic. It really doesn't require much thought. Its a "one size fits all" explanation for a very complex phenomenon. Its kind of lame really. Lets lump a pile of things together and call it aliens.
Just to be clear... As others have done, I'm using Bigfoot for the sake of the argument. Which for some reason you seem to have a problem grasping the concept of. I'm not defending nor believe there's a Bigfoot hiding in the Washington, Oregon, _________< fill-in-the-blank forest.
Alllll righhhht!!. What do you think it is? A 'naturally occuring' metallic-looking, flying saucer that does weird things in the sky; gets mentioned by highly sane people for visiting nuclear sites and switching them off- its perfectly fine and a natural phenomenon. Lets shrug it off like anything.
Misstated as a null hypothesis, the "ET Hypothesis" is ridiculous. As a null hypotheses it tacitly assumes the existence of aliens visiting earth is true and demands sufficient evidence that they are not to favor the alternate. Stated as an alternate hypothesis, the ET Hypothesis is more reasonable but there is a serious need to define what is meant as evidence. Stating happenstance observations that are only at the level of unexplained as equivalent to evidence is juvenile. One cannot have a UFO which is explained, by definition of UFO. As currently stated, even if used as an alternate hypothesis, the "ET Hypothesis" requires one to explain 100% of all UFO sightings to avoid saying aliens are not visiting Earth. That is an inane requirement.
The "ET Hypothesis" as stated is busted on so many levels it isn't even comical. It's rather sad to see it still being claimed by some to be vaild and somehow (magically) shown to be true. Yeah -- so are fairies, elves, ogres, etc.... If you accept one you have to accept them all.
BayesLike Where is the evidence? All we have is stories -- and stories do not amount to evidence.
Yes. Incidents can be falsified. The ETH cannot be. It has been shown that Venus has been mistaken for a UFO. Does that falsify all eyewitness reports?
It would be enough to demonstrate that trace evidence can be explained in another way and that it is not reasonable to believe ufo photos are what they seem. This would constitute falsifiability.
You again spent most of your time talking about bigfoot and I suggest if you want to debate bigfoot go and start a thread. The reason you keep talking about bigfoot is because you can't debate the evidence.
The reason blind debunkers want to talk about everything except for the evidence presented is because they can't refute the evidence. So they want to talk about bigfoot, the easter bunny, the flying spaghetti monster or unicorns creating rainbows. Sadly, because you can't refute the evidence all you want to talk about is bigfoot.
NEWSFLASH!
There's evidence for bigfoot and there's evidence for the ET hypothesis. I know you want to keep lumping all of these things together because you can't refute the evidence used to build the ET hypothesis.
I guarantee you, the blind debunkers will keep trying to talks about everything else but the evidence. This just shows how strong the evidence is for the ET hypothesis.
Next I don't think bigfoot has higher quality evidence. Like I said, it has to be explained to me how a primate that size can evade capture. But again, this thread isn't about bigfoot. You said:
Of course you don't believe there's a bigfoot. We know why you're fixated on Bigfoot, because you can't refute this:
Radar reports
www.ufoevidence.org...
Trace Evidence
www.ufoevidence.org...
Vehicle interference cases
www.ufoevidence.org...
Electromagnetic effects
www.ufoevidence.org...
Physical evidence
www.ufoevidence.org...
Government U.F.O. Documents
www.ufoevidence.org...
U.F.O. articles published in scientific journals
www.ufoevidence.org...
It's a smokescreen because you can't refute the evidence.
Now onto Hawking. Hawking said aliens almost certainly exist. If you say aliens exist you then can't turn around and limit what another civilization can or can't do based on our current understanding of physics. Hawking called eyewitnesses cranks and weirdos. That's not the case. Do these people look like cranks and weirdos?
Listen how Hawking described what an advanced civilization might be capable of. You can't limit them to our current understanding of physics.
Hawking starts off by saying alien technology to us is like a rocket ship would be to a caveman. Again, if aliens are this advanced we can't turn around and say well they couldn't visit earth. You can't say this based on our current understanding of physics. For years Hawking talked about the event horizon of a black hole and now it's an apparent horizon. He can't even pin that down so how can anyone say what a civilization can or cannot do if their technology is so advanced we will feel like cavemen looking at a rocket ship when we see it.
So, I mention Hawking because soon as you say that Aliens exist, you open the door to extraterrestrial visitation and the only way you can try to refute the strong evidence is try to reduce eyewitnesses to cranks or weirdos, talk about bigfoot or Unicorns creating rainbows.
Now, to your last point. Again, we're not talking about Edgar Mitchell the guy who works at Rite Aid. We're talking about Edgar Mitchell who can walk into the Joint Chiefs of Staffs and talk to an intelligence officer about U.F.O.'s as he explains in this clip.
Listen to what Edgar Mitchell says in the clip.
He's talked to people who he can't mention who were in the intelligence community. He talked to an intelligence officer at the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The reason Edgar Mitchell was all over the news and radio because he's credible. We're not talking about Edgar Mitchell from Rite Aid or we're not talking about me. See, we have this thing called common sense and we use it to weigh credibility. The reason why blind debunkers started calling Edgar Mitchell a kook and a senile old man when this first came out is because they wanted to damage his credibility.
Phage
reply to post by EnPassant
Yes. Incidents can be falsified. The ETH cannot be. It has been shown that Venus has been mistaken for a UFO. Does that falsify all eyewitness reports?
It would be enough to demonstrate that trace evidence can be explained in another way and that it is not reasonable to believe ufo photos are what they seem. This would constitute falsifiability.
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You see, there isn't a single case of the thousands and many decades of this phenomenon that can stand alone to prove alien visitation has happened, as in fact. So, the only recourse is to attempt to grab every which way in all subsets of this phenomenon and link examples of these cases in order to help support your own belief thinking as a group they do. What you actually still end up with, is a group of stories and simple weak-leveled evidence.
Hawking says that in a universe with 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars, it is unlikely that earth is the only place where life has evolved.
"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational," he said, according to The Sunday Times.
Renowned British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking says intelligent alien life-forms almost certainly exist, but trying to communicate with them is "too risky."