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reply to post by scientist
Really? So when those 5%'ers in their goofy dress were calling me the white devil and preaching how we would all be dead or slaves, I was just taking that out of context?
reply to post by scientist
A lot of history is anecdotal, and anyone who was in New York in 1999 will remember seeing those a-holes on their soap box on every street corner preaching about the white devil, I especially remember seeing them in Times Square and Washington Square Park. Like I said, we used to laugh at them. But if you want to take them seriously, be my guest. You and Jay-Z can rock out together.
And comparing 5%'ers, which is a religious belief system, to ATS, which is a website shared by people of all stripes, is just foolish.
The social issue ... a racist musician who is widely listened to and looked up to in America.
Americans either don't know about the racism ... or don't care. Does the racism matter?
Should Americans care about the racism espoused by this (or any) musician?
Or is that separate from his 'talent' and it's okay to prop up this guy by buying his music?
NY Post - Jay Zs 'Five Percent' Medallion
Black people are the fathers and mothers of civilization, white men are the devil, the Christian god is nothing more than a ghost and only a small percentage of people understand the world. These are just some of the beliefs behind the bling — the gaudy Five Percent Nation medallions worn by Jay Z and Carmelo Anthony. ...
“The rationale is that the black man is God and created the universe, and is physically stronger and intellectually stronger and more righteous naturally,” says Michael Muhammad Knight, an author of two books on the radical group. “Whiteness is weak and wicked and inferior — basically just an errant child who needs to be corrected.”
Jay Z was asked if the medallion meant anything to him. He confirmed that it does.
The racist 'Five Percent' group is 50 years old. It was founded in 1964 in Harlem by a man named Clarence Smith. Mr. Smith changed his name to Allah. He preached that all black men had God in them and that black women were subordinate “earths”. A representative for the group says Jay Z is not an official member.
I was going to post a link to the Five Percent site. But I don't know if it's allowed. After looking at it, I think it's a 'hate group' and so I'd rather not link it. If you are interested, you can google it. Be warned .... lots of cussing at the site.
So does it matter when a musical artist is racist? Everyone has a right to their personal beliefs, right? But what about when the musician is advertising his/her racism? Should radio stations ban the music because of what the racist believes and advertises? Or should the show go on ... let the music be on the radio and for sale in the stores (or where ever people buy music these days)?
Paula Dean had her books pulled from shelves and her TV time cut down because of her racist remark. And that wasn't even close to what the 'Five Percent' group espouses. People had a melt down over it. But nothing much is said about Jay Z and his racism.
So is this a matter of free speech and free marketing?
Or should he be subjected to the same blood bath that Paula Dean went through?
I'm thinking this could be a good teaching moment. Jay Z is showing off, in a big way, his racist beliefs. He's advertising it. So why not use it as a teaching moment. Talk about how ignorant the racism behind the Five Percent group is? Help people not to adore and worship celebrities. That kind of thing. Then let the free market decide how much money Jay Z makes in the future. I wouldn't nail his free speech rights. I'd be talking about his Five Percent group ... educating on why they are destructive.
Calling 5%/NGE Nation of the Gods and Earths a racist "whites are devils" group is extremely ignorant and oversimplifying a very complex topic.
None of this has anything to do with Jay-Z.
reply to post by FlyersFan
The thing that gets me is that if a white person said this about any other culture or race, there would be an uproar.