Another banker found dead, along with wife and daughter.

soficrow
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

...banker suicide by multiple nail-gunshots is kinda like microbiologist suicide by multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Takes a lot of commitment to pull off.

Not really, they fire 2,3 or more nails per second - they're like machine guns. a couple of seconds and bang, 7 nails, easy.

ETA: I can't believe after Xaphan's post on the previous page which puts these statistics into perspective, that no one comments on that, they don't counter Xaphan, try to debunk his source in any way... Everyone just carries on getting themselves off on the story they want this to be. If that's not Doomporn then nothing is.

Makes me sad fro ATS - used to be that credulity meant something here..

bekindtoyurbuds

Bilk22
Does anyone believe that suicide by a nail gun is even possible if it were to take more than one shot? I mean after the first and it didn't work, who could continue after realizing the pain? This is, as someone already said, beyond the pale. Truly unbelievable.

I know right! After the pain from your first shot you would have seconds thoughts.

I thought the point of committing suicide was to end your pain, not to prolong it.


Seems a little odd to me

Exactly. In addition, if people don't understand how a nail gun works, and there are a few different types - some use compressed air and some use a gun powder charge similar to a 22 - what is common to all varieties, is the tip or business end of the gun needs to be compressed against the surface being nailed in order for it to actuate or fire. It's not point and shoot, for safety reasons. I really fail to see how a person would be able to accomplish "suicide" using a nail gun without "assistance".

Didn't we see Arnold or someone else "suicide" a guy in the movies, using a nail gun?

McGinty

soficrow
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

...banker suicide by multiple nail-gunshots is kinda like microbiologist suicide by multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Takes a lot of commitment to pull off.

Not really, they fire 2,3 or more nails per second - they're like machine guns. a couple of seconds and bang, 7 nails, easy.

ETA: I can't believe after Xaphan's post on the previous page which puts these statistics into perspective, that no one comments on that, they don't counter Xaphan, try to debunk his source in any way... Everyone just carries on getting themselves off on the story they want this to be. If that's not Doomporn then nothing is.

Makes me sad fro ATS - used to be that credulity meant something here..

edit on 7-4-2014 by McGinty because: (no reason given)

Speaking of "credulity", why don't you show us the specific model of nail gun you believe can fire 2 or 3 nails per second? I'd be interested in seeing that.

Dutch media just reported that Jan Peter Schmittmann (the former ABN Amro CEO), suffered from severe depression.
He supposedly texted a friend just before allegedly taking the lives of his daughter, wife and himself asking to take care of his other daughter (who was not at home).

Hmm, it doesn't seem to add up..

Painterz

Bilk22

Painterz
The WHO estimates that approximately 1 million people per year commit suicide. Or 16 per 100,000.

The financial services industry in the UK employs 1,045,500 people.

By these numbers if suicide were spread evenly across the population, you would expect over 160 bankers to be killing themselves in the UK alone in the space of a year.

Therefore the only conclusion is that the financial services sector is *significantly* less prone to suicide than other sectors, and there is absolutely zero evidence of any sort of wave of bankers killing themselves because they know something bad is coming.

Now there's a pretty faulty argument if I ever saw one. Statistics don't really work the way you're portraying them here.

Really? Please explain the fault in the argument and why the statistics are wrong?

Take a course in statistics. I'm not taking the time to explain it to you. Just know that the way that poster tried to use a statistic to form hi argument was faulty.

McGinty

soficrow
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

...banker suicide by multiple nail-gunshots is kinda like microbiologist suicide by multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Takes a lot of commitment to pull off.

Not really, they fire 2,3 or more nails per second - they're like machine guns. a couple of seconds and bang, 7 nails, easy.

ETA: I can't believe after Xaphan's post on the previous page which puts these statistics into perspective, that no one comments on that, they don't counter Xaphan, try to debunk his source in any way... Everyone just carries on getting themselves off on the story they want this to be. If that's not Doomporn then nothing is.

Makes me sad fro ATS - used to be that credulity meant something here..

edit on 7-4-2014 by McGinty because: (no reason given)

Let's address this again - your claim that some nail guns fire 2 to 3 shots per second. Exactly what application would one need to have a nail gun fire that rapidly? I own no less than 10 nail guns of various types. The number may actually be a few more than that. I own framing guns, finish nailers and Hilti shotguns. I have pneumatic guns and guns that require a charge or cartridge. None can operate as you describe. So one needs to wonder why you would post something so obviously false. It's either lack of knowledge and trying to pass it off as some sort of knowledge or something more nefarious. In either case, your information is bunk.

reply to post by McGinty

...they're like machine guns. a couple of seconds and bang, 7 nails, easy.

Uh huh - and within a nano-second of the first pull the gun would be swinging wildly all over - unless the shooter were fully focused and conscious.

....Everyone just carries on getting themselves off on the story they want this to be. If that's not Doomporn then nothing is.

Makes me sad fro ATS - used to be that credulity meant something here..

Sure that's the point you wanted to make?

soficrow
reply to post by McGinty

 

...they're like machine guns. a couple of seconds and bang, 7 nails, easy.

Uh huh - and within a nano-second of the first pull the gun would be swinging wildly all over - unless the shooter were fully focused and conscious.

....Everyone just carries on getting themselves off on the story they want this to be. If that's not Doomporn then nothing is.

Makes me sad fro ATS - used to be that credulity meant something here..

Sure that's the point you wanted to make?

McGinty has no clue what he's talking about or he's lying for a reason. Nail guns do not fire like machine-guns. They don't for a few reasons, but one is for safety reasons. The other is, well what would be the purpose? If I drive a nail I need time to relocate the tool so I can d rive another. One does not nail on top of other nails. When you error and mistakenly hit another nail, it causes issues such as a blemish in a finished product. In the case of using a gun that's capable of "suiciding" one's self, a framing gun or Hilti shotgun, common for a carpenter/framer or do-it-yourselfer, they do not rapid fire as he describes and one would not want to fire successively as he suggests. The only somewhat rapid fire gun is a roofing nailer, which I also have. They can fire pretty quick successive shots, but the tip must be compresses against the roofing surface for it to fire. However they do not fire like an automatic machine-gun. Credulity indeed! LOL

reply to post by McGinty


You are 100% wrong about how fast nail guns are....I use them often.



You are putting personal truth forward as fact and you are wrong.

AnonymousWitness
Dutch media just reported that Jan Peter Schmittmann (the former ABN Amro CEO), suffered from severe depression.
He supposedly texted a friend just before allegedly taking the lives of his daughter, wife and himself asking to take care of his other daughter (who was not at home).

Hmm, it doesn't seem to add up..

I heard on the news the Police spokesperson told that he killed them and then commited suicide.

Former banker killed wife, daughter and himself

www.telegraaf.nl...

BROKERS -
Former banker Jan Peter Schmitt Mann (57) Saturday brought his 57-year-old wife and his 22 year old daughter Babette in their villa in Laren killed and then beaten the gun on himself. That, police said Monday. In the home of the Supreme Hoefloo a suicide note found.

The family knew the man ' severe depression ' suffering , but can not comprehend that he has done this, state in a declaration that she brought out. "We are deeply shocked and beaten by this unimaginable news . Our immediate concern is to support the other daughter of the family in the processing of this indescribable grief , "said the family . Daughter Renee ( 25 ) was not home Saturday morning . The father would have sent , where he asked to take care of his eldest daughter. Shortly before his act a text message to a friend
Police found the three bodies in the villa after a known alarm had beaten . Forensic investigators searched the whole day to trace and have family and friends heard . Sunday 's autopsy on the three bodies , to rule out that they have come . Killed in a different way
Police would not say anything about the cause of death of the three or the time when they are deceased . " Out of respect for the family ," said a spokeswoman . It is not yet known when the funeral , but that will take place most likely in private . In Laren in banking circles is shocked by the tragedy . Mayor Elbert Roest Laren is in contact with the family .

TheGreazel.

reply to post by sarra1833


Yea, regardless of how they are dying...

[Deaths]
1) you notice

2) you investigate connection (if one)

3) you pay attention

4) you check and recheck, and REALLY pay attention

5) you take it seriously.

And what, we have, seven more after that?

Definitely somethings up. (regardless of a 5% margin of error for typical daily accidents or high stress related suicide)

reply to post by Bilk22


OK guys, i was a little blunt there, but i'm amazed that no has answered Xaphan's post about how these deaths figure in the overall suicide statistics.

But, of course i stand by my claim that a nail gun can fire off several nails per second:

Bilk22, i bow to your first hand knowledge of nail guns. But is it an all encompassing knowledge? I found this from the MCA (the Midwest Roofing Contractors Association), are they wrong? Is there, as you claim no nail gun in existence that can do what the MCA claim?

NAIL GUN SAFETY
Nail guns first emerged after World War II and are now common in the roofing industry. They are
predominantly used to attach shingles to a sloped roof, to replace sheathing and to do other repetitive
nailing activities. Nail guns basically "shoot" the nail, either with air pressure or by other means. They
can fire up to nine nails per second at velocities as high as 1,400 ft. per second.

Link to the mrca.org PDF

You see i'm not making it up, just following leads for better or worse. Moreover, you suggest that i could be some kind of government paid troll. That's a harsh call for questioning the doomslide of opinion in this thread. Your time would be better spent telling Xaphan exactly why his astute post on page 5 is wrong.


Here a 50 year old man walked into Accident + Emergency with 2 nails embedded in his brain. They were removed and he recovered just fine. So it's possible for someone to keep on firing away and so having several nails in the banker doesn't prove someone else pulled the trigger.

I shot shot 2 nails in my brain and i feel fine


soficrow, you said:

Uh huh - and within a nano-second of the first pull the gun would be swinging wildly all over - unless the shooter were fully focused and conscious.

I would have thought that if the guy wanted suicide-by-nail-gun, then he's 'fully focused and conscious'.

I'm not discounting the possibility of a connection between these deaths - it's possible. But it seems also possible that the nail gun death could have been self inflicted and that the numbers of banking suicides do indeed fall well within 'normal' boundaries.

reply to post by McGinty


Sorry I'm at work so I'm making this short. These are not just "people" in Finance, these are CEO's along with very high level positions...

Now... show me this in other industries.

How many CEO's and high level employees of auto manufacturers committed suicide in the last 10 months, since this is when these deaths began occurring in the Banking sector.

How many CEO's and other high level employees of other sectors such as architectural firms in the last 10 months?

You can do a run down that is similar... but not just general population to be accurate it must be strings of suicides in other industry among CEO's and high level positions within that industry, over the last 10 months...

Bilk22

McGinty

soficrow
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

...banker suicide by multiple nail-gunshots is kinda like microbiologist suicide by multiple gunshot wounds to the head. Takes a lot of commitment to pull off.

Not really, they fire 2,3 or more nails per second - they're like machine guns. a couple of seconds and bang, 7 nails, easy.

ETA: I can't believe after Xaphan's post on the previous page which puts these statistics into perspective, that no one comments on that, they don't counter Xaphan, try to debunk his source in any way... Everyone just carries on getting themselves off on the story they want this to be. If that's not Doomporn then nothing is.

Makes me sad fro ATS - used to be that credulity meant something here..

edit on 7-4-2014 by McGinty because: (no reason given)

Let's address this again - your claim that some nail guns fire 2 to 3 shots per second. Exactly what application would one need to have a nail gun fire that rapidly? I own no less than 10 nail guns of various types. The number may actually be a few more than that. I own framing guns, finish nailers and Hilti shotguns. I have pneumatic guns and guns that require a charge or cartridge. None can operate as you describe. So one needs to wonder why you would post something so obviously false. It's either lack of knowledge and trying to pass it off as some sort of knowledge or something more nefarious. In either case, your information is bunk.

Enjoying your posts

sarra1833
reply to post by magnum1188

 

It brings it to 12 now since january: scary thing, on Jan 26th, one died, on Jan 27th, two bankers from different countries killed themselves. They have a listing of all the deaths to date on that link I shared but I'll put it here too:

This brings the sad list of senior financial services exectives who have died in the last few months to 12:

1 – William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.

2 – Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.

3 – Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.

4 – Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.

5 – Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.

6 – Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.

7 – Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago. No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.

8 – Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.

9 – James Stuart Jr, Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death

10 – Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47, a trader at Midtown’s Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train

11 – Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.

12 – Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

Don't forget about this one. Which, I feel is the smoking gun to all this nonsense...


Autumn Radtke, a 28-year-old American CEO of bitcoin exchange firm First Meta,
was found dead in her Singapore apartment on Feb. 28.

reply to post by McGinty

I did stipulate that a roofing nailer can fire more quickly. However I have yet to see one in real practice that can do that - 9 per second. I own one and it cannot fire that way. It the tip of the gun must also be compressed against a surface to fire. I guess there were some early models that could fire that didn't need to be compressed against a surface, but that would be pretty old as OSHA and manufacturers have set standards to limit job site injuries and litigation. From memory, the nail gun issue got some national attention when a worker shot through a drywall and killed a person on the other side.

I just find it difficult to believe that a person could shoot themselves multiple times with a nail gun, as was claimed. What was it 7 or 8 times?

reply to post by Bilk22


I believe it was 8 times. You obviously know your stuff in regards to nail guns and i don't mean to tell you otherwise in a flippant way whatsoever and i certainly was bull#ting, or purposefully miss-informing, as you can see from the MCA information.

My point was that it is possible for someone to fire many nails in a very short space of time. This is easier if the gun is pressed against the target, but if this was suicide (or murder) the gun would've been pressed against chest/head.

From the example of the 50 year old in Glasgow, we see that someone can fire 2 nails into their brain and remain conscious enough to walk to hospital and so it's that much more conceivable that a person could release a 2nd burst into themselves if the first didn't do it.



Thanks to OpinionatedB for responding to Xaphan's excellent post about statistics. It's a good point that these were, OpinionatedB says, all high ranking CEOs. I'd love to here what Xaphan thinks about this point.

Actually the total would have to be 13 or maybe 14 because there is also another banker death in the news today out of Lichtenstein. The banker (Jeurgen Frick) was killed, and his killer is thought to also have been a banker who reportedly committed suicide.

www.bbc.com...

Lot of jumpers from JP Morgan.

Maybe spec-ops finally realised the bankers are screwing them and their kin too?

That nailgun thing has to quietly slip over to the murder column.
I don't care who you are, after doing it once, your body would just take over and refuse to let you do it again.
Ouch * 10^16