New Age beliefs that some Christians believe that is not supported in The Bible

Akragon
reply to post by Logarock

 

Oh yes but what about the rest of it. The part that really made them mad to the point they wanted to kill Him. Most think it was because He said HE was the Son of God as in other place. But here what pisses them off is the total picture that He brings to mind......the rest of that passage...He was likening them to fallen angels.

"ye are gods and children of the most high....(the rest of it)....BUT YOU SHALL DIE LIKE MEN AND FALL LIKE ONE OF THE PRINCES".

In essence their "theos" amounted to no more saving power than the fallen angles.

The whole passage here and hardly a flattering of mans god qualities. In fact these people here that are being discussed are no more sons of god than the fallen sons of God. This passage is an indictment of the fallen nature of man as the same as the nature of fallen angles.

Quite true... but still children of God none the less... fallen or otherwise

Though he was still executed for blasphemy...

But you had tried to make a point in sort of a vacuum. Simply stated some children are in and some are out. Being a child of God in the essence that you presented guarantees nothing, means nothing on its face.

He also said of those of His day that all the innocent blood shed from Abel until then would be laid on that generation.....of "gods". Children gone to seed, gone after the way of Cain that will join the Devil and his in the lake of fire. In effect no longer children of God but children of the devil, sworn and adopted into same.

Brandyjack

Lastly, stop using Gnostic as a dirty word. To be Gnostic is to seek knowledge, to learn and think. Activities actively discouraged by the early church and leaders. Remember, who called the first, official conference of "christian" leaders to decide what was "Gospel" and what was not. It would be hard to tell the Emperor, while sleeping and eating on his dime, protected by his army, that you did not like his choices of "authentic" gospel. Same goes for the King James translation.

The war with the Gnostics started long before the days of the Emperor. And they were not seeker of knowledge equal to the measure that they were fiction writers, mad philosophers and con artist.

As far as the King James version, there were other versions out at the time and yes it was an attempt to make an official government recognized version as such were the times. However you would be hard pressed to present a case were this "official" version was really a stretch from the independent versions.

I've been thinking about the Children of God bit most of the day, and I'm of two minds.

I say we are all children of God in the sense that He is God the Creator, but only in the sense that every living thing on earth is His child, his creation. As such, we enjoy no special position or dispensation. It's merely a statement of recognition that we would not be here but for His action.

The second meaning of God's Children involves being God's Child in spirit. It involves being born to Him in spirit. In that sense, no, not everyone is God's Child, and I think the majority of people are not, and at the end of it all, there will be some surprises as to who are and are not His Children.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

If New Age is "changing" anything, it is for the better and for the truth in my opinion. It is "changing" it back to its original form be for religious and political corruption. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yep.

And also, it's not "New". It's not just a groovy trend. (I know you know this, 3NL, this is for everyone/anyone else)....


Am I the only member who recalls 'The Fifth Dimension', singing The Age of Aquarius???

It's been decades now since I saw them in concert.

Mankind stands today on the threshold of a new era commonly referred to as the Age of Aquarius. As the spiral of history unfolds and a previous age comes to an end, new possibilities are emerging for the physical, spiritual and political development of humanity. But the effects are dramatic at the close of an age. As it winds down, and its energies wind up, all the issues of the old age become intensified and make a last stand.

I'd say that yes, that's about where we are now.

The concept of an imminent new age have been popularized (and commercialized) since the 1960s. Nevertheless, few people consciously understand what the transition to the Age of Aquarius actually implies. To most people, the “Age of Aquarius” remains a vague phrase.

The cycle of these cosmic ages traces the spiritual development of humanity’s consciousness. They are based on the astrological circle of the Zodiac (hence, the “Age of Pisces,” the “Age of Aquarius,” etc.). In the same way your personal horoscope reveals your inner self, and the continuing planetary cycles in relation to your chart indicate the actual process of growth, so do these long-term, cosmic cycles reveal the collective spiritual state of mankind.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

So, who here (or anywhere!), doesn't want humanity to reach a higher level of collective spirituality and a sense of All of Us belonging, all of us as precious members of mankind -- an idea of unity and solidarity and peace that permeates all nations?

I know I do.

Logarock

Akragon
reply to post by Logarock

 

Oh yes but what about the rest of it. The part that really made them mad to the point they wanted to kill Him. Most think it was because He said HE was the Son of God as in other place. But here what pisses them off is the total picture that He brings to mind......the rest of that passage...He was likening them to fallen angels.

"ye are gods and children of the most high....(the rest of it)....BUT YOU SHALL DIE LIKE MEN AND FALL LIKE ONE OF THE PRINCES".

In essence their "theos" amounted to no more saving power than the fallen angles.

The whole passage here and hardly a flattering of mans god qualities. In fact these people here that are being discussed are no more sons of god than the fallen sons of God. This passage is an indictment of the fallen nature of man as the same as the nature of fallen angles.

Quite true... but still children of God none the less... fallen or otherwise

Though he was still executed for blasphemy...

But you had tried to make a point in sort of a vacuum. Simply stated some children are in and some are out. Being a child of God in the essence that you presented guarantees nothing, means nothing on its face.

He also said of those of His day that all the innocent blood shed from Abel until then would be laid on that generation.....of "gods". Children gone to seed, gone after the way of Cain that will join the Devil and his in the lake of fire. In effect no longer children of God but children of the devil, sworn and adopted into same.

The point from the OP's perspective that I was trying to make is that "We are all children of God" is very biblical... it wasn't to get into a big theological discussion on that fact.

I personally am more of the opinion that we have the ability to "disown" the Father so to speak... Rather then being adopted by an entity that doesn't exist...

When Jesus said to the Pharisee's "Your Father is the devil" it means they choose materialism Rather then God...

As someone said earlier In the thread... One can not have two Masters...

They essentially made Materialism their God

reply to post by arpgme

New Age beliefs that some Christians believe that is not supported in The Bible

Whether it's "supported in The Bible" or not is pretty much, well, in the big picture, irrelevant. There's no question in my mind that The Bible is sorely lacking.

reply to post by arpgme

Only if you live by The Spirit which is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control, and if you live by The Spirit then it doesn't matter what you call yourself because God's people are scattered - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Okay, now I'm confused.

Your OP looks to be dismissing 'New Age' thinking as nonsense, yet....
this quote above talks about that very thing that the New Age stands for.

benrl

Akragon
hero, and still is... but ultimately, he was a warlord, and a conqueror... Not a Shepard

Which explains why they where so shocked when Jesus said his kingdom wasn't here.


But ultimately its a problem of perspective.

From the Jewish mindset, they where the "chosen" people because they are just so special.

They asked God for things, and he gave.

The people that Weren't Jewish, where fuels for the fires of hell, to torture the unrighteous jews (See gentiles not even worthy of proper judgement, only as fuel to judge the people that matter).

You must take the OT as a history as well as theology book, it is very much from that Jewish perspective, its why the wars are so praised, and things like genocide a good thing.

Because to those writing it at the time it was.

It could be said, it was a long term lesson to be learned.

Which brings in Christ, with the perspective you expound on those Jews that thought they where sooooooo special for following only the letter of the law...


Now from the Christian Perspective.

The jews are "chosen" BECAUSE of their flawed nature, to show that its not them, its gods nature that made them special.

In all their errors, he rewards the faithful one man, for the one mans sake, his offspring are blessed, despite who they are.

Moses is a conqueror Because, its what the Jewish people cried for from God coming out of Egypt.

There is a rich tail and lesson there that is glossed over by painting it so simplistic.


Taken as a whole, you need to understand greater over arching theological, and social concepts from the time, that both directly tie into whats being stated in the text.

And, hard concepts, like some people deserve punishment.

I apologize if this sounds overbearing because you usually grasps some things with reason however this is just plain incorrect...

They were "Israelites" not Jews.That is just basic bible that billions of Christians don't seem to know anything about.How can you talk about the OT and expound on what it is when you don't even know the most basic premise.Jews are of the Tribe of Judah that eventualy became the southern Kingdom(The house of Judah) that split from the Northern Kingdom(the house of Israel) in about 930 BCE in Solomons son Rehobaoms reign.

The JEWS are not the "chosen" people.That is extrapolation of religion(mostly Jewish and Christian).The scriptures don't say that at ALL.Israel "was"(they don't exist anymore in ANY form) a historical nation of people no matter HOW exaggerated their self importance and their maligning of the creator God who they twisted into the bloodthirsty revengeful savages they were.

The rub is..... Israel IS the archetype allegory ALL of mankind.Israel means "struggles against Yahweh..which is exactly what mankind does. They create a God in THEIR image....because it is THEIR religion.

I think it is wise to "know" what you are talking about and at least get the basics.However even that is futile in the long run.Knowing the creator God cannot be had by a book..ANY book.The scriptures have ONE purpose and one purpose ONLY and Yahoshua Clearly stated what it was...a testimony of Yahoshua...which means Yahweh IS salvation...the deliver from the bondage of death...PERIOD. That is the proclaiming of the "coming" Kingdom of the creator God"..and NONE have entered it .When you have you'll know(not believe anymore) and none of this religious Old Age or New Age foolishness will matter one bit .

arpgme
"Everyone is a child of God"

True. Everyone was at one point was a child, is still a child in relative terms, a child of God. Because without God your heart would not beat and you would be dead, no longer a child. Therefore you are a child of God.

Wrong. Only those who live through The Holy Spirit is a child of God. Everyone else belongs to The World and The Ruler of This World.

The ruler of this world belongs to God. Everyone belongs to him, in heaven or damned towards hell. IF anyone did not belong to God then they would be able to avoid both hell and heaven. Be reasonable. God protects who he wills, the faithful foremost. Not being protected does not separate you from God's ownership.

"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." - Galatians 5:22-23

"God rules The World"

Wrong. If God rules The World then that would mean that God is also responsible for death, war, and everything that is opposed to The Holy Spirit. The god of this world creates confusions so that they will not understand the true message of Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 4:4), and one day he will be driven out (John 12:31).

There is only one God and he is God of everything including this world. Your message is foolish. Everyone is responsible for their own soul, that's the point of a soul. You are here in the position you are based on choices you yourself have made, affected by others whom in faith you would have been protected from to the extend of being damned at the very least.

"God is everything and Heaven is everywhere"

Wrong. God is Light and in him there is no darkness (1 John 1:5). God is Just (2 Thessalonians 1:6). God is Love (1 John 4:16) and He is The God of Peace (Romans 15:33). Since darkness, injustice, hatred, and violence also exist, it shows that God is not everything and that this is not his kingdom (Heaven). We are told that The Kingdom of Heaven is not 'here' or 'there' so don't believe people when they claim it is, but The Kingdom of Heaven is within us (Luke 17:21). The Holy Spirit is within The Flesh (1 Corinthians 6:19). You are given a chose to live by The Flesh or to go deeper within yourself and live by The Holy Spirit while overcoming The Flesh by finding it's fruit: love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. (Galatians 5:22-23)

No dispute, God is not his creation.


"You are supposed to be all-loving"

Wrong. It is absolutely true that we are supposed to live in Love because those who live in Love also live in God and God is within them (1 John 4:16). We are also told that whoever doesn't know Love doesn't know God because God is Love (1 John 4:8); however, we are told to love what is good and hate what is evil (Romans 12:9). Those who have The Fruit of The Holy Spirit living with Love, Patience, Kindness, Gentleness, and Self-Control are good, the rest are evil. We are encouraged to disapprove of behavior that is opposed to The Spirit.

I have nothing to add except that in our relationship with God God is love, but apart from us God is just God. Love is in this case a verb. Technically speaking you are not what you do, per se.


"You can do whatever you want because God forgave your sin."

Wrong. It is true that we are not under "The Law", but that is only because we live through The Holy Spirit. Those who are using this as an excuse to do whatever they want will see the consequences of their actions because you reap what you sow and God will not be mocked:

Many are convinced they have faith when they do not, justice for them is damnation.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Galatians 6:7-8
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.…

"You can do whatever you want as long as you aren't hurting anyone"

Wrong. Selfishness is the spirit of the anti-christ. We are told that God is love and to know God you must know Love (1 John 4:8). We are told that love is Patient and Kind (1 Corinthians 13:4) but that love is also not self-seeking (1 Corinthians 13:5). We are told not to be selfish but to be humble, not to see others as less then ourselves and to not just look after our own self-interests but the interests of others (Philippians 2:3-4).

Yes, God wants us to have Freedom, but not to do whatever we want but to be humble and serve each other out of love (Galatians 5:13), or else, we will turn against each other and destroy each other (Galatians 5:15).

"You don't have to choose between God's Way or satan's way you can be neutral"

Wrong. There is no neutral point. If you aren't helping others, then you are allowing confusion, pain, and suffering into their lives. You are either humble, or you aren't. You are either selfish, or you aren't. You cannot serve two masters, you will love one more than the other (Matthew 6:24), and if you don't care about either and you just want to do whatever you want, then you are still choosing satan because that is selfishness.

Correct, there is no neutral point because the neutral point is not God's way and therefore it is Satan's "jurisdiction".


"God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble" - James 4:6


"Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves." - Romans 12:10


"Those who are self-seeking who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger - Romans 2:8



Christ was Humble:

Philippians 2:5-8
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

Romans 15:3

For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."

edit on 5-4-2014 by arpgme because: (no reason given)

I think people are incorrect on their assumptions of what Jesus actually is. Jesus is misunderstood by possibly the majority of Christians. Anyway, hope someone appreciates my critique, I typed all the underlined sentences.

Rex282

benrl

Akragon
hero, and still is... but ultimately, he was a warlord, and a conqueror... Not a Shepard

They were "Israelites" not Jews.That is just basic bible that billions of Christians don't seem to know anything about.How can you talk about the OT and expound on what it is when you don't even know the most basic premise.Jews are of the Tribe of Judah that eventualy became the southern Kingdom(The house of Judah) that split from the Northern Kingdom(the house of Israel) in about 930 BCE in Solomons son Rehobaoms reign.

The JEWS are not the "chosen" people.That is extrapolation of religion(mostly Jewish and Christian).The scriptures don't say that at ALL.Israel "was"(they don't exist anymore in ANY form) a historical nation of people no matter HOW exaggerated their self importance and their maligning of the creator God who they twisted into the bloodthirsty revengeful savages they were.

The rub is..... Israel IS the archetype allegory ALL of mankind.Israel means "struggles against Yahweh..which is exactly what mankind does. They create a God in THEIR image....because it is THEIR religion.

I think it is wise to "know" what you are talking about and at least get the basics.However even that is futile in the long run.Knowing the creator God cannot be had by a book..ANY book.The scriptures have ONE purpose and one purpose ONLY and Yahoshua Clearly stated what it was...a testimony of Yahoshua...which means Yahweh IS salvation...the deliver from the bondage of death...PERIOD. That is the proclaiming of the "coming" Kingdom of the creator God"..and NONE have entered it .When you have you'll know(not believe anymore) and none of this religious Old Age or New Age foolishness will matter one bit .

edit on 5-4-2014 by Rex282 because: (no reason given)

Are you a troll? Is this bait? You should be more direct if so. This isn't 4chan. Anyway I'll go ahead and kill this for you. If you're seriously in dispute of any of this you should be afraid.

It's no coincidence the religion of Israel and Abraham's sons still stands today. Realize this was one man who's descendents dominated a people who thought they had the upper hand by worshiping their own created false gods. Polytheists were organized and outnumbered and out-resourced the followers of Abraham's religion. They scoffed at the notion that there would be even remote success of this. These same people are obviously crushed, look today at the majority of Earths' population, they are mostly Muslim, Christian or Jewish. The majority of the population dedicated to other religions are still followers of the same God. This is because God has made himself apparent to every soul, everyone had been given a clean opportunity to submit. Many denied this opportunity and they probably do not even remember a single instance of it. And claiming Israel exists in no form? That's ridiculous, there are descendents of Israel in Israel currently. You may have misconstrued what the elite actually is. IsraELITE. You fool. Israel means struggle with Yahweh? Israel was a man, singular. A man with an ego, struggled on Earth. There are parallels between the man Israel and the 12 tribes (no coincidence as he was their father) but remind you Israel is the name of a man, given to that man by God, or a messenger of God, or the Lord, whatever, I don't read that much bible stuff. But I at least know that much and it's hardly vital information anyway. Israel exists and it has dominated the world in it's entirety since Rome was crushed. No corner of the world can stand against it, the only real conflict is between sects and their non-israelite subjects, many who are not even aware they are subjected. Dispute of this is foolish, this is common knowledge, this is the major world religion (all 5+ of them) we are talking about. Anybody trying to exist outside of this paradigm and hinder it has been an enemy from the very start. IT started out as most of the world against one man, now it's most of the world against these little dark corners of humanity that are still left.

arpgme
"Everyone is a child of God"

Wrong. Only those who live through The Holy Spirit is a child of God. Everyone else belongs to The World and The Ruler of This World.

"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." - Galatians 5:22-23

"God rules The World"

Wrong. If God rules The World then that would mean that God is also responsible for death, war, and everything that is opposed to The Holy Spirit. The god of this world creates confusions so that they will not understand the true message of Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 4:4), and one day he will be driven out (John 12:31).



"God is everything and Heaven is everywhere"

Wrong. God is Light and in him there is no darkness (1 John 1:5). God is Just (2 Thessalonians 1:6). God is Love (1 John 4:16) and He is The God of Peace (Romans 15:33). Since darkness, injustice, hatred, and violence also exist, it shows that God is not everything and that this is not his kingdom (Heaven). We are told that The Kingdom of Heaven is not 'here' or 'there' so don't believe people when they claim it is, but The Kingdom of Heaven is within us (Luke 17:21). The Holy Spirit is within The Flesh (1 Corinthians 6:19). You are given a chose to live by The Flesh or to go deeper within yourself and live by The Holy Spirit while overcoming The Flesh by finding it's fruit: love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. (Galatians 5:22-23)


"You are supposed to be all-loving"

Wrong. It is absolutely true that we are supposed to live in Love because those who live in Love also live in God and God is within them (1 John 4:16). We are also told that whoever doesn't know Love doesn't know God because God is Love (1 John 4:8); however, we are told to love what is good and hate what is evil (Romans 12:9). Those who have The Fruit of The Holy Spirit living with Love, Patience, Kindness, Gentleness, and Self-Control are good, the rest are evil. We are encouraged to disapprove of behavior that is opposed to The Spirit.



"You can do whatever you want because God forgave your sin."

Wrong. It is true that we are not under "The Law", but that is only because we live through The Holy Spirit. Those who are using this as an excuse to do whatever they want will see the consequences of their actions because you reap what you sow and God will not be mocked:

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Galatians 6:7-8
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.…

"You can do whatever you want as long as you aren't hurting anyone"

Wrong. Selfishness is the spirit of the anti-christ. We are told that God is love and to know God you must know Love (1 John 4:8). We are told that love is Patient and Kind (1 Corinthians 13:4) but that love is also not self-seeking (1 Corinthians 13:5). We are told not to be selfish but to be humble, not to see others as less then ourselves and to not just look after our own self-interests but the interests of others (Philippians 2:3-4).

Yes, God wants us to have Freedom, but not to do whatever we want but to be humble and serve each other out of love (Galatians 5:13), or else, we will turn against each other and destroy each other (Galatians 5:15).

"You don't have to choose between God's Way or satan's way you can be neutral"

Wrong. There is no neutral point. If you aren't helping others, then you are allowing confusion, pain, and suffering into their lives. You are either humble, or you aren't. You are either selfish, or you aren't. You cannot serve two masters, you will love one more than the other (Matthew 6:24), and if you don't care about either and you just want to do whatever you want, then you are still choosing satan because that is selfishness.


"God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble" - James 4:6


"Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves." - Romans 12:10


"Those who are self-seeking who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger - Romans 2:8



Christ was Humble:

Philippians 2:5-8
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

Romans 15:3

For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."

edit on 5-4-2014 by arpgme because: (no reason given)

I really didn't understand the title of the thread.

Do you mean the new age ideas that some Christians believe aren't in the Bible or do you mean that some Christians believe some new age ideas that aren't in the Bible? Or do some Christians believe some new new age ideas are in the Bible?

I was not sure what you meant, please clarify.

The beauty of New Age ideology is that anything you want to be true is true. It doesnt matter what the context of scripture implies, if you don't like it, you can just cherry pick your own wisdom and throw the rest away. Why conform to the Mind of Christ, when it can conform to you? Literal interpretation is often too politically incorrect and most of the time offensive, so why not switch to symbolism when its convenient?

When you are your own philosopher, you can never be wrong...not even in God's eyes.

That is New Age.

reply to post by Logarock


If they aren't coming from God then where are they coming from?

If your answer is Satan, then what about what I say sounds dangerous or evil? I'm only giving my own view, what I say only says to look within yourself for God, what's so wrong with that? There's nothing dangerous about accepting yourself.

reply to post by BELIEVERpriest

It doesnt matter what the context of scripture implies, if you don't like it, you can just cherry pick your own wisdom and throw the rest away.

Funny...

that sounds exactly like Christianity to me

reply to post by Akragon


You will find that a lot of the murder, oppression and war was based around people, cities, even Kingdoms being unrighteous or contrary to the teachings of God. Remember, the laws weren't just sent to the Jews, they were sent to Mankind for everyone to follow. I have to agree with the OP's explanation of what is required of God. I have picked this up myself regardless of whether Paul wrote it or not.

BELIEVERpriest
The beauty of New Age ideology is that anything you want to be true is true. It doesnt matter what the context of scripture implies, if you don't like it, you can just cherry pick your own wisdom and throw the rest away. Why conform to the Mind of Christ, when it can conform to you? Literal interpretation is often too politically incorrect and most of the time offensive, so why not switch to symbolism when its convenient?

When you are your own philosopher, you can never be wrong...not even in God's eyes.

That is New Age.

Politically incorrect? You do realise Political and Spiritual are two completely different things?

BuzzyWigs
reply to post by arpgme

 

New Age beliefs that some Christians believe that is not supported in The Bible

Whether it's "supported in The Bible" or not is pretty much, well, in the big picture, irrelevant. There's no question in my mind that The Bible is sorely lacking.

No, it's your understanding of the Bible that is sorely lacking.. If you cannot see what the bible teaches and from a spiritual perspective, how can you call yourself spiritual through any teaching? You may be spiritual on the outside (of your body) but you will most certainly lack (inner development) through other doctrines because they focus on what is on the 'Outside' and this includes the constellations which are a means of sorcery to the Bible.

BELIEVERpriest
The beauty of New Age ideology is that anything you want to be true is true. It doesnt matter what the context of scripture implies, if you don't like it, you can just cherry pick your own wisdom and throw the rest away.

That's exactly why it's false because not everything you believe to be true will actually be true. It's just some fantasy land you make up to suit your own 'Earthly' needs.

When you are your own philosopher, you can never be wrong...not even in God's eyes.

That is New Age.

And according to the Bible that is the philosophy of unrighteousness or the devil of course. Because no-one is perfect to start with.

It seems like the main spiritual teachings in the world now are about "Self-Empowerment", rather than being humble. There are 2 main categories of the main teachings...

1. God just wants you to be happy, your sins are already forgiven so you can do whatever you want
(selfishness - focusing only on your own interests instead of the interests of others)

and...

2. They say God will give you whatever goods you want if you have Faith or do this and that
(materialism - placing all your focus on material gain)


Whether it is increasing some spiritual energy (2), prayer and law of attraction (2), hedonism (1), liberal philosophy (1), the prosperity gospel (2) or any other, spiritual beliefs today seem to be focus on pleasing Self rather than pleasing Others (Matthew 5:42/Matthew 5:41/Matthew 5:39).

We are told that Jesus Christ, although being the perfect image of God through his perfection - which no one else is, chose to humble himself to not serve himself but the interests of others - the imperfect (Philippians 2:6-9). This is a powerful expression of love and we are told to love others as much as He loved us and by doing so everyone will know we are His Disciples (John 13:34-35)

reply to post by Logarock


that's what i was going to post
so, we're back on these fallen angel/sons of God thing ...great!
there was also something back on page 1 related to all this,
when it comes to dispensing judgement, and all that bloodshed in the OT people seem to have a problem with

The parable is as follows:
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
—Matthew 13:24-30, Holy Bible: King James Version

there is even more to it

Then Jesus sent the multitudes away, and went into the house. His disciples came to him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the darnel weeds of the field." He answered them, "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. As therefore the darnel weeds are gathered up and burned with fire; so will it be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
—Matthew 13:36-43, World English Bible

and i think we're all familiar with genesis 6:4 at this stage.
there isn't much room left for speculation on who the children of God are, and who the children of the devil are.