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Death is a lie... I mean, life is a debt... (Life/death)

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posted on Apr, 5 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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This is not the world God intended. God does not create things to die. In this world of our own making is a sinful world. A very wicked world indeed. Death is real because the wages of sin is death. Death is a result of rebellion. In this world of our on making we have made life a death sentence. Life is a death sentence. Therefore death exists in this world.


So in your opinion, death is unhealthy?
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posted on Apr, 5 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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Afirmitive, that's prolly a precise assessment regarding my opinion.



posted on Apr, 5 2014 @ 03:58 PM
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This world relative to mother womb is the same as the upcoming world relative to this world.

Imperfections of humanity in the mother womb lead to greater and painful imperfections in this world.

The same imperfections in this world will lead to greater and painful imperfections in upcoming world.

Humanity does not need eyes in the mother womb. An infant may think he does not need any eyes or other body parts. But he does not know that the eyes and the legs are very useful in this world. Lacking them is painful.

So what is needed for the upcoming world that we think they are not useful in this world !?



posted on Apr, 6 2014 @ 04:54 AM
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Death is just a word that appears in life. Just as deep sleep is an idea that appears in wakefulness.

Life is where all arising's arise.



posted on Apr, 6 2014 @ 07:00 AM
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Life after Death has now been PROVEN WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY:

pilotsfor911truth.org...

Cheers



posted on Apr, 6 2014 @ 07:08 AM
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djeminy
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Life after Death has now been PROVEN WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY:

pilotsfor911truth.org...

Cheers

But what is death? What is life?
Is it not just dreaming? Who is dreaming this dream - that is the question?
What witnesses that there is a dream appearing to happen?



posted on Apr, 6 2014 @ 07:13 AM
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Before one can even assume anything about after death one must find out what life is.

Please also watch the video I posted on the other thread (Can You Prove The Existence of The Real World?) as well.
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posted on Apr, 6 2014 @ 07:14 AM
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This is just my opinion

While we are alive we are only experiencing a small part of ourselves...
But after death we are freed to experience the whole!
There is so much to us we just don't know about complete lives we have lived will live are living now!
After death we are back into the mainframe of the computer so to speak and we can access all those lives living whenever.



posted on Apr, 6 2014 @ 12:24 PM
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What happened to me when I had the moment when my life as I today know it started was a feeling of falling down for 30 meters and suddenly I was in this body with no memory, thinking about what is the best possible action to take while acting, in a rush, no patience. I was about 1-3 years old and in a garden on a ladder.
Perhaps this info might be of help to some.



posted on Apr, 6 2014 @ 02:56 PM
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randyvs
Afirmitive, that's prolly a precise assessment regarding my opinion.


Why is death unhealthy?
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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 03:36 AM
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Itisnowagain

djeminy
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Life after Death has now been PROVEN WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY:

pilotsfor911truth.org...

Cheers

But what is death? What is life?
Is it not just dreaming? Who is dreaming this dream - that is the question?
What witnesses that there is a dream appearing to happen?



Perhaps the best way to answer your questions, could be to prompt you
to read the answers quoted below, as this would give me an opportunity
to be more specific in a following post:

".......
It seems quite inconceivable that God has not existed through eternity!

God has of course existed through eternity, but for untold “eternities” He was
“Thought and Will”—an impersonal “something.” God arose as a personal Being
upon the absolute union of the divine Thought and Will. But He has had existence
through eternity. (Toward the Light, pages 3-4 and 159 to 180: 2.)



Did the natural laws apply to God while yet in an impersonal state, that is, during His process of development?

All natural laws* have their origin in the Thought and Will of God. But it was first
necessary for God Himself to gain complete knowledge of all the hidden properties
of the so-called “Darkness” before He could give laws that would bring this primal
power under full control; and this was something that could be achieved only through
self-experience. While God was yet Thought and Will, and Thought and Will had not
been equalized nor united in an inseparable whole (so that the Thought did not desire
what the Will was not able to fulfill), He was not the absolute master over Darkness
and could not arise as a personal Being—arise as the Almighty, Who by His Thought
and Will had overcome the evil that was in the Darkness.

The existence of a personal God as Thought and Will is therefore the development
that the divine male and female primal principles had to undergo in order to emerge
as a unified, balanced and consummate “Divine Being”. Thus, the natural laws—in
this case the spiritual laws—are the result of the struggle of the Divinity out of
Darkness, a struggle that ultimately brought forth the personal God, a Being of
universal knowledge and universal power.

Just as God had to struggle out of Darkness in order to become a personal being, so
must human beings struggle out of Darkness to become integrated beings. And in
order to bring this struggle to its conclusion, they must be incarnated time and again
into the Darkness of life on Earth until final victory.

Since the human spiritual ego originates in and with God, humans carry within
themselves a reflection of those laws under which their development takes place.
These laws that have been given by God but that existed not whilst He Himself strove
toward victory, serve to ease the way for human spirits in their struggle out of Darkness.

By nature, human beings differ highly from one another, due among other things to the
longer or shorter development of their spiritual egos through the ages. Thus there are
individuals rich in thought and emotion but with weak and ineffective wills, while others
are the opposite, their power of will dominant while their thoughts and emotions are of
limited development. And between the two extremes are innumerable variations in
degree of strength and differences in manifestation of the human thought and will.
Rarely can be found on Earth those whose thoughts and emotions are in complete
balance with the will—whose thoughts are under the control of the will, embracing also
the sorrows and happiness of others; indeed, whose thoughts and will are so balanced by
their actions that they are able to give help and happiness to others, not only within their
own sphere of activities but also outwardly to all mankind. But in order to arrive at the
ideal of so strong and highly-evolved a personality, the spiritual ego must have lived
through many incarnations, in other words have undergone a very long development.
Only those who have experienced spiritual and physical suffering to the full are able to
give help to others out of a true feeling of love and compassion. Only those who have
personally struggled through the grief, sin, evil, poverty, suffering and the misery of
many lives on Earth, can have the full loving understanding of the sufferings of their
fellow humans. For only through their own struggles, their own victories, will humans
become capable of understanding their fellow beings and of rendering the help needed
out of a loving heart.

Once it is understood that only through self-discovery and self-experience can the
individual attain to self-control, will it also be understood that He, the Highest of all
Beings—the Divinity whence the human spirit sprang—must have personal knowledge of
all that the human spirit must endure in life on Earth. It will be understood that He,
Who knows all, must also Himself have struggled through Darkness toward the Light,
must also have striven toward the full union of Thought and Will in order to emerge as
the absolute Victor, as the All-knowing, the Almighty. Through His struggle out of
Darkness, God has gained full understanding of the grief and suffering that human
beings may meet in life on Earth. He has gained knowledge of the sins and temptations
to which humans succumb, so that He, from His absolute knowledge, can respond to
every human prayer for help with the most profound understanding, compassion and love.

Therefore, through the struggle out of Darkness by divine Thought and Will, God had
gained such knowledge of the many and various manifestations of Darkness when He arose
as a personal Being that, apart from being the Sovereign Master, He also was and still can
be the loving, understanding and compassionate Father, Who out of His loving Thought and
through His strong Will is in every way able to help all His children to gain victory in the long
and bitter struggle out of the temptations and pitfalls of Darkness.
......."

*) At the dawn of time, God established regular laws for both spiritual and molecular Darkness.
When the Eldest began experimenting with the Darkness that had separated from its encapsulation
in the Light, much of the molecular Darkness escaped God’s direct control. As a result, many of its
various manifestations no longer conformed to God’s regular laws. But through millions of years the
Light has exerted a regulating, harmonizing and stabilizing influence on this Darkness. Therefore,
many of these irregular and indeterminable manifestations are now automatically regulated by
better or completely established laws. The “natural laws” referred to here are the laws for the
spiritual Darkness.

Cheers






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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 04:13 AM
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djeminy
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Life after Death has now been PROVEN WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY:

pilotsfor911truth.org...

Cheers


The quotes in the above post will probably be considered by many
as just other 'kind of writings' that also could be subject to "opinions"
or subject to "be taken on faith"!

When i talk about ABSOLUTE PROOF, i'm therefore referring the reader
to the above link, where, on page 1 in post #11, it is that i set out the
means by which the 'proof' will be conducted.

Cheers



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 11:09 AM
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AfterInfinity

randyvs
Afirmitive, that's prolly a precise assessment regarding my opinion.


Why is death unhealthy?



Natural death is of course not "unhealthy"!!

It's a different matter altogether though, when it comes to killings and murders.
Here it could actually become rather "unhealthy" for the eventual perpetrators,
as shown here:


".......
Is reincarnation really necessary? And how is the Law of Retribution applied?

The purpose of reincarnation is to allow human spirits to mature through a gradual
and many-sided process to the point that they are able to reject the influence of
Darkness in all circumstances of life.

When human spirits undergo their first earthly lives, their spiritual egos — represented
by thought and will — are but comparable to the faintest spark of the Light. Their
earliest lives on Earth are then little more than a form of passive existence — of
becoming accustomed to the human condition. After having undergone some initial
incarnations, the spiritual ego begins to react to the guidance of the conscience—the
guardian spirit.But it should be obvious that those individuals who stand at a very low
spiritual level possess not as sensitive a “conscience” as do those more spiritually
advanced. And since the new and the very young spirits predominate in the lower
human races, the “spiritual laws” whereby a “savage”, for example, is judged, cannot
be equally applied to a member of a civilized society. Savages, embodying very young
spirits, are not yet able to respect human life or property. They cannot be judged alike,
spiritually, as those humans who, through spiritual and worldly upbringing, have been
taught to respect such values but yet, possessing this greater inner depth, still kill and
rob.

Not until the ego learns to distinguish between “mine” and “thine” and comes to
understand the value of human life is there accountability for those sinful actions of
whose consequences the ego is then spiritually aware. For the slightest violation of
conscience must result in penalty—the necessity to atone. When the ego is aware that a
certain act must by nature bring penalty, then that individual of free will breaks the law
in committing that act, and by abuse of that freedom becomes subject to the Law of
Retribution and cannot evade the consequences. Only full repentance through prayer
can bring the forgiveness of God, and only appeals to wronged fellow humans can bring
the possibility of their forgiveness and thereby remove the need for severe repercussions.

(.......)

(.......)


There is one provision under the Law of Retribution none can avoid except the youngest
of human spirits, not yet able to respond to their conscience. Applying to the spiritual
ego of humans and the Youngest and Eldest alike, this provision requires that all who
commit acts of murder or in some other way cause loss of life of fellow beings, must,
in a subsequent incarnation, save from sudden death the same number of lives taken.
(Toward the Light, page 114: 6.)

However, this provision can be applied in different ways. Those judged and penalized
under earthly law have nothing more for which to atone. But since God’s law requires
that those who kill must in later incarnations save lives, anyone already punished under
earthly law will comply with this provision through an act of love, giving them the
protection of God so that they emerge unharmed from the perilous task. Not so for those
who have evaded earthly justice. They are protected neither by the guardian spirit nor by
God during attempts to save other lives. They never escape some form of harm, such as
death, maiming, prolonged illness, burns, or the like. In other words, they must atone for
past crimes with their own lives or with bodily suffering. Thus God’s Law of Retribution
can in certain cases require a life for a life; however, the earthly courts of law have not
a similar right.

Those who as earthly rulers, military commanders, or leaders of the people are indirectly
responsible for the loss of great numbers of lives during wars and uprisings or through
death penalties, can expiate their guilt in subsequent incarnations by saving a large
number of people from impending catastrophe, for example through action to avert
man-made or natural disasters, as inventors making safe otherwise dangerous occupations,
or as scientists who find ways to prevent or control the diseases that are such a scourge to
mankind in so many ways. God Himself ensures through this provision the correct balance
between the human lives lost and those lives that in compensation are to be saved from
premature or painful death.

The last two means of atonement apply only to the Youngest and partly to the Eldest,
since human spirits clearly possess not sufficient spiritual stability to be inventors or
scientists in life on Earth.
......."

Cheers



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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djeminyHowever, this provision can be applied in different ways. Those judged and penalized
under earthly law have nothing more for which to atone. But since God’s law requires
that those who kill must in later incarnations save lives, anyone already punished under
earthly law will comply with this provision through an act of love, giving them the
protection of God so that they emerge unharmed from the perilous task. Not so for those
who have evaded earthly justice. They are protected neither by the guardian spirit nor by
God during attempts to save other lives. They never escape some form of harm, such as
death, maiming, prolonged illness, burns, or the like. In other words, they must atone for
past crimes with their own lives or with bodily suffering. Thus God’s Law of Retribution
can in certain cases require a life for a life; however, the earthly courts of law have not
a similar right.



So you are saying that those of us who are unfortunate to be born with or develop conditions that lead to a life of suffering, premature death, etc, deserve what we are getting because we were bad people in a previous life? What a crock.

One word that pops up time and again in this topic is "ego". It is this which creates the fantasy of life after death in order to deal with its own mortality. Death is something the ego fights against right up until the very end. I could be wrong, and there could be more to it than just YOLO, but I wont know (or not) until after the event. But saying that people who suffer now because of past life crimes is just plain wrong.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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If either time or room are infinite, which is nearly obvious to be that way if something like this can exist at all, then anything that can keep your feeling of being here would exist again. Even if it means in all that infinity of possibilities your body with your memory will probably exist in the exact position again.


No matter if you already live in all of us at once or if when you die the remaining parts of you going into new life are where you will feel to be -> divided by each brains perception or if you are suddenly somewhere else after a time or invisible: Whatever you do affects someone or something else that affects someone and something else over and over again. If there is someone who frees us all and keeps us protected or even makes us wise to improve everything ourselves, then in our goal to help anything we will expand and make more and more life forms happy. Even in this life what you do to others goes from person to person and partially comes back to you in some way.

That's karma in my eyes. Maybe we all were these guys who caused this area to be conquered, changing daily work time over the normal 3 mins/day.
I hope you are not stuck in thinking I would be a believer or something. But anyway, we all have to go through that.

But yes, whatever we do depends on our past and current situation, "not our fault". It's not a magical system punishing you - it's just if you don't do anything to improve or worsen anything, things will go their own way.
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posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 01:57 AM
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Firefly_

djeminyHowever, this provision can be applied in different ways. Those judged and penalized
under earthly law have nothing more for which to atone. But since God’s law requires
that those who kill must in later incarnations save lives, anyone already punished under
earthly law will comply with this provision through an act of love, giving them the
protection of God so that they emerge unharmed from the perilous task. Not so for those
who have evaded earthly justice. They are protected neither by the guardian spirit nor by
God during attempts to save other lives. They never escape some form of harm, such as
death, maiming, prolonged illness, burns, or the like. In other words, they must atone for
past crimes with their own lives or with bodily suffering. Thus God’s Law of Retribution
can in certain cases require a life for a life; however, the earthly courts of law have not
a similar right.



So you are saying that those of us who are unfortunate to be born with or develop conditions that lead to a life of suffering, premature death, etc, deserve what we are getting because we were bad people in a previous life? What a crock.

One word that pops up time and again in this topic is "ego". It is this which creates the fantasy of life after death in order to deal with its own mortality. Death is something the ego fights against right up until the very end. I could be wrong, and there could be more to it than just YOLO, but I wont know (or not) until after the event. But saying that people who suffer now because of past life crimes is just plain wrong.



That all human beings survive 'death' is an absolute fact, and which has now
been proven with absolute certainty. (See link in previous post)!


".......
The number of incarnations for the human spirit varies widely. It is not the same for all,
since the number depends on the individual’s free will toward good or toward evil.
Human spirits who during their incarnations have been directly or indirectly responsible
for the deaths of many others, whether through murderous or other unfortunate means,
or who as earthly rulers have exposed their subjects to death in wars of conquest or
religion and in family feuds and so forth, must experience many more incarnations to
atone for these many deaths than those not guilty of such crimes. The most a human
spirit has been bound to the Earth and its spheres before release from further
incarnations is about three million earthly years, the least about one and three-quarter
million years. This includes the years for rest and learning in the spheres. Many of the
first, the oldest human spirits, have long ago been released from further incarnation and
are continuing their journey on globes in the distant galaxy opposite the Earth’s Milky Way
system. Here they slowly mature under the tutelage of God’s Servants until they can enter
God’s Kingdom, there to be received by their Father.

These spirits will never return to the Earth to participate in the work of the Youngest, a
task for which they are still too immature even though their will toward the Light has
overcome Darkness. And when after millions of years they have reached the goal of their
journeying, their help on Earth will be superfluous since by then there will no longer be any
human beings on the globe. The last humans will have left this first stage of their journey
to continue it on the distant globes.

The reason the human spirits, after release from life on Earth, are brought to the Earth’s
neighboring galaxy is that most of the globes in the Earth’s own galaxy are contaminated by
Darkness. Should God call forth life on these globes it would have to be similar to that on
Earth—a life of Darkness in worlds of Darkness, which could only hinder and oppress the
human spirits. When these spirits are released from life on Earth, they will therefore fully
and forever have dissolved the bonds of Darkness and will belong only to the Light and to
the worlds of the Light. The Earth is thus the only globe within its galaxy that supports
living beings.
......."


"But saying that people who suffer now because of past life crimes is just plain wrong."

".......
Persons who despise or hate other nations or other races will in the next succeeding
incarnations invariably be born among them, so that they may learn to love those whom
they previously hated.
......."

Cheers



posted on Apr, 8 2014 @ 11:22 PM
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What will it be like to go to sleep and never wake up? And if you think long enough about that, something will happen to you. You will find out, among other things, it will pose the next question to you. What was it like to wake up after having never gone to sleep? That was when you were born.


I love me some Alan Watts



posted on Apr, 9 2014 @ 02:18 AM
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freetheuniverse





What will it be like to go to sleep and never wake up? And if you think long enough about that, something will happen to you. You will find out, among other things, it will pose the next question to you. What was it like to wake up after having never gone to sleep? That was when you were born.


I love me some Alan Watts



Let us go a step further.

Only four (4) 'things' have existed throughout infinity - meaning ....NEVER BEEN CREATED!

These are - LIGHT - DARKNESS - THOUGHT - WILL.

170 years ago Søren Aa. Kierkegaard wrote:

"Thi det eneste der ikke kan blive til, er det nødvendige, fordi det nødvendige ER."

Here, my attempt at translating this:

"Hence the single thing that cannot come into existence, is the necessary, because the necessary IS."

He, also, was a wise man!

Every single human being consist first and foremost of THOUGHT and WILL.

Simultaneously, every human being have been provided with a spiritual body, and an astral body.

The physical body was created before humans were given Thought and Will. (Consciousness).

It is only the physical body that is subject to disintegration and decay, as it was only this 'body'

which was created from molecular Darkness.

Both the astral body and the spiritual body is, respectively, created by astral - material Light, and

ethereal - astral Light. Thought and Will is a gift given to each human being from God, in the highest

'heaven'.

Thus, neither the spiritual body nor Thought and Will, will ever become subject to annihilation of any

kind, but will exist throughout eternity - and the sooner we all become used to this 'idea', the better

it will be for everyone.

"Infinity" IS a reality. Quick, get used to it - Please!

Cheers










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posted on Apr, 11 2014 @ 08:37 PM
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Taking into consideration the state our world finds itself, in these perilous times,
some readers of this thread might want to know how the Spiritual world regard
this adverse 'development', and the position it holds when it comes to "warfare"
in general, so here it is:

(.......)

".......
Thus, all warfare is rooted in Darkness and is brought about by the mutual intolerance of the various nations, which in turn can be attributed to the lust for power of the leaders and the rulers. If the human will for evil thus calls forth fighting and destruction and a war begins, the nation that initiates the hostilities must bear the responsibility for the war of aggression as well as for the war of defence forced upon the other nation and its allies, regardless of the forms that the war may take. And so long as the attacked nation limits itself to the defence of its country, of its rights, the aggressor will continue to be in the wrong. But the moment the defender extends the hostilities to the territory of the aggressor in order to attack rather than to defend, both sides must share the responsibility for whatever takes place from the moment the border into enemy territory is crossed. (The same laws apply if the battles are fought at sea or in the air).

The victory or defeat of the warring parties can in no way be attributed to God. Never does He take part in the hostilities, neither on the side of the aggressor nor on the side of the defender. Only prayers for help to restore peace will be heard by God, but His many and persistent attempts to speak to the leaders as their "conscience" are in most cases rejected.

The victorious party defeats its adversary by virtue of numerical or strategic superiority or the like, or because of the people's common hatred of the enemy and the people's common will to win; but victory is never gained with the help of God.

Any person - civilian or military - who praises, defends and glorifies war in writing or in speech,instead of evoking aversion to this deed of Darkness and enlightening his fellow human beings on the degradation and brutishness of war, is himself placing a heavy burden of responsibility on his shoulders and must, having ended his earthly life, render a detailed account to God of the motivations for his actions.
Even though human beings wage war among themselves, and even though God does not hear their prayers for victory, He never loses sight of them, but seeks either directly or through the disincarnated Youngest to awaken remorse among the leaders, just as He tries in many ways to instil in them an awareness of the injustice and the abuse of power of which they are guilty, so as to bring about a pact of peace before one of the parties succumbs to the superior force; but in the vast majority of cases also these attempts are rejected by human beings.
......."

(.......)

Cheers



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