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$6 Billion Goes Missing at State Dept (under Hillary Clinton)

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posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:09 PM
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Phage

moniker

Phage
Actually, six billion dollars is not missing. What is missing is complete contract documentation as required by law. Crappy bookkeeping, intentional or otherwise.


Isn't keeping insufficient bookkeeping records that shows the true and fair state of the finances, with full traceability etc, a crime?
No. Unless criminal intent is shown.


Well, then the US is different from most other countries, where not keeping sufficient bookkeeping records is a serious crime (because it affects tax liability and credit ratings), intent or not.




posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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No it doesn't.

Here is the op www.abovetopsecret.com...

Feel free to quote anywhere the op says anything about Bush or Cheney.

For the record:



A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:


www.nizkor.org...

Examples of the red herring in this thread ?

Here

And here

Have anything relevant to the topic ?

Like CLinton and company losing 6 billion ?



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:15 PM
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moniker

Phage

moniker

Phage
Actually, six billion dollars is not missing. What is missing is complete contract documentation as required by law. Crappy bookkeeping, intentional or otherwise.


Isn't keeping insufficient bookkeeping records that shows the true and fair state of the finances, with full traceability etc, a crime?
No. Unless criminal intent is shown.


Well, then the US is different from most other countries, where not keeping sufficient bookkeeping records is a serious crime (because it affects tax liability and credit ratings), intent or not.


Yep, as just thinking how well that would work with the IRS.
    "Sorry guys, we lost all our accounting paperwork and can't seem to find the $6 billion."

Yeah, right.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:16 PM
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xuenchen

spurgeonatorsrevenge

neo96
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What is missing is complete contract documentation as required by law. -


So how do a bunch of lawyers 'lose' contract documentation ?

Like that lawyer CLinton, and company.


I am not sure...

Did you guys figure out what happened to the 2.3 trillion Bush lost?

I am under the impression Bush employed lawyers too.


What missing money?

Debunked: "The Pentagon cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions"

or is it "black ops" ?



It is not debunked, you can see Rummy say it with his own words in the video below.



Furthermore, if you read your own link, you are a hypocrite to apply different standards to Bush and Obama.

Your own link "debunks" the missing money, by giving reasons that would equally apply to this lost 6 billion.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:17 PM
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moniker

Phage

moniker

Phage
Actually, six billion dollars is not missing. What is missing is complete contract documentation as required by law. Crappy bookkeeping, intentional or otherwise.


Isn't keeping insufficient bookkeeping records that shows the true and fair state of the finances, with full traceability etc, a crime?
No. Unless criminal intent is shown.


Well, then the US is different from most other countries, where not keeping sufficient bookkeeping records is a serious crime (because it affects tax liability and credit ratings), intent or not.


The record keeping in question is performed by the US government. The US government doesn't pay itself taxes nor does its credit rating depend on the contracts it issues.

But, to reiterate, there is not six billion dollars missing.

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posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:22 PM
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Yeah, right.

Please show me where in the report it says that 6 billion dollars is missing.
oig.state.gov...

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posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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neo96
reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge
 


No it doesn't.

Here is the op www.abovetopsecret.com...

Feel free to quote anywhere the op says anything about Bush or Cheney.

For the record:



A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:


www.nizkor.org...

Examples of the red herring in this thread ?

Here

And here

Have anything relevant to the topic ?

Like CLinton and company losing 6 billion ?


You are not applying your "logic" correctly.

My argument is that if the government has not found 2.3 trillion dollars the Bush and dick lost. It is not logical to expect that the government will discover a much lesser sum.

My premise is completely on topic as it applies to the government and the loss of funds.

Why don't all of you concerned people focus on 2.3 trillion, it is a much greater sum and finding the 2.3 trillion would replace the 6 billion, 383 times over.


edit on 4-4-2014 by spurgeonatorsrevenge because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:26 PM
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Well we know for sure she didn't use in on making herself look any better

or to dress any better.

Must have poured it all into her daugthers world.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:29 PM
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anon72
Well we know for sure she didn't use in on making herself look any better

or to dress any better.

Must have poured it all into her daugthers world.


she sure didn't use it to augment in the intelligence of Fox News fanatics, unfortunately...



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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Phage
The record keeping in question is performed by the US government. The US government doesn't pay itself taxes nor does its credit rating depend on the contracts it issues.

But, to reiterate, there is not six billion dollars missing.


Technically, the State Department is not the Government itself, but an outfit of the Government. I'm not American, but I am what would be called a CPA in the US, and in most other countries (except for North Korea and China, among a few other examples) all parts of the state that is not Government itself does indeed pay taxes, including (but not limited to) social security taxes on staff's gross salaries, pensions contributions, any profit, despite being a not-for-profit organisation, they would happen to make (taxes at 100% to bring it all back to the public coffers) etc.

If an audit shows that six billion can't be accounted for then it is technically missing until proven otherwise.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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how far has America Fallen??


just more word play.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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spurgeonatorsrevenge

anon72
Well we know for sure she didn't use in on making herself look any better

or to dress any better.

Must have poured it all into her daugthers world.


she sure didn't use it to augment in the intelligence of Fox News fanatics, unfortunately...


There is another red herring

Since the source in the OP is the THE FISCAL TIMES.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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Glad you see it that way.

Sue him.

I think it was part of Clinton's accounting tricks.

But why hasn't Obama cleared this whole thing up?

He's the Prez.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:42 PM
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Technically, the State Department is not the Government itself, but an outfit of the Government.
Argumentum ad absurdum?




If an audit shows that six billion can't be accounted for then it is technically missing until proven otherwise.

The audits did not show that.

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posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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The audits did not show that.


True, the IG stated the contracts (required for auditing) were not to be found or incorrect. That would pretty much prevent accurate audits at all. Which I believe was/is the plan.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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neo96

spurgeonatorsrevenge

anon72
Well we know for sure she didn't use in on making herself look any better

or to dress any better.

Must have poured it all into her daugthers world.


she sure didn't use it to augment in the intelligence of Fox News fanatics, unfortunately...


There is another red herring

Since the source in the OP is the THE FISCAL TIMES.


I was not making an argument, you cannot have a logical fallacy if there is not a premise and a conclusion.

Just because you learn a new term like red herring, does not mean that it applies in every case.

In fact, your desire to examine red herrings and ignore my real argument can be considered a red herring because you are using it to detract from my counter arguments.

Which are

If the government did not find the 2.3 Trillion that Bush and Dick lost, then it is not likely to expect that the government will recover and much lesser sum.

If the government found the 2.3 Trillion that Bush and Dick lost, you would recover the lost 6 billion plus two Trillion more. It is a better use of time to investigate and find the 2.3 Trillion because it would complete negate the problem presented in the OP.

Those are my counter arguments, stay on topic and stop trying to divert my arguments by engaging in the red herring fallacy.

Thanks, I trust you will live by your own standards.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 03:21 PM
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So what did any of that have to do with CLintons state department losing 6 billion dollars.

? ? ? ?

Intentionally ignore this post ?

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 03:22 PM
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edit on 4-4-2014 by neo96 because: holy double posts batman !



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 03:31 PM
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If the government found the 2.3 Trillion that Bush and Dick lost, you would recover the lost 6 billion plus two Trillion more.


Why do you keep trying to move the subject to Bush and Cheney? The topic is the State Departments accounting under Hillary.

If you wish to discuss that there are threads on the topic already.



posted on Apr, 4 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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True, the IG stated the contracts (required for auditing) were not to be found or incorrect.
No. The OIG did not state that. The OIG asked for files and the responsible authorities were not able to provide them on request. Sloppy.


That would pretty much prevent accurate audits at all.
The OIG was not auditing contracts. The OIG was auditing record keeping practices.


Which I believe was/is the plan.
Seems like that plan didn't really work too well when actual contract investigations were done.

In the case of work undertaken by OIG's Office of Investigations, one investigation revealed that a contract file did not contain documentation reflecting that modifications and task orders were awarded to the company owned by the spouse of a contractor employee performing as a Contract Specialist for the Contract. This contract was valued at $52 million.



In another investigation, OIG found that a CO falsified Government technical review information and provided the contractor with contract pricing information. The related contract file was not properly maintained and for a period oftime was hidden by the CO. This contract was valued at $100 million. In a third investigation, OIG found that a COR allowed the payment of$792, 782 to a contractor even though the contract file did not contain documents to support the payment.



It should be noted that the OPE concurs with the findings of the OIG and is implementing their recommendations.



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