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Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by doubletap
Don't put words in my mouth. I know what it's like in the Deep South. That doesn't mean that everyone there is a bigot.
Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge
spurgeonatorsrevenge
I think the point is, he is assisting in a ceremony that is against his moral beliefs.
He's not even invited to the ceremony, much less being asked to assist it. He's being asked to make a cake, which he does every day.
I think this issue would be akin to forcing a vegan cook up a chicken for strictly carnivore patron.
It's not, though. The vegan business owner does not make chicken for anyone. We're not asking the baker to make something he never makes for other people. If the vegan business owner made chicken for his patrons, but refused to do so for a handicapped person, THEN we'd have a comparison.
Gryphon66
The concept of "rights" arises from two places: our nationality and our basic humanity.
I have certain natural rights because I am a human being.
There are no "rights" that depend on or are limited by the various qualities of my humanity, e.g. my handedness, my eye-color, my hair style, or my sexual preference.
There are no Right Handed Rights, or Blue Eyed Rights or Buzz Cut Rights or Gay Rights.
I have certain legal rights because I am an American citizen.
I have the right to speak my mind, to print my thoughts and deliver those to others, to pursue a religion as I see fit or not, and to be treated equally before the laws.
The sphere of my legal rights is limited by the legal rights of those around me; my rights are not always preeminent when others are involved or when the exercise of my individual rights adversely affects the "equally equal" exercise of their individual rights.
For example, I do not have the right to say things that are harmful and untrue, to print things that are harmful and untrue, or to assign to others a lesser value and treat them differently arbitrarily because of my religious beliefs.
The last two are directly or even intimately intertwined as you can see.
For example, as an an atheist, should I have the right deny someone who comes in with a cross necklace services in my public establishment based solely on my religious non-beliefs? Let us say that I consider Christianity a mental disorder, and I do not wish the general public to see my products in the hands of someone wearing a cross because that implies that I support Christianity because I feel that might diminish my business in the eyes of intellectuals?
Or if the cross were a crucifix, by implication making them Roman Catholic, would it be right to deny them service because they might be child molesters or supporters of child molesters?
How absurd do we have to make the counter-example?
buster2010
This is what happens when you get dimwits into office that thinks companies are people and deserve religious rights. Americans that are opposed to this should petition the government to shut off all aid to Mississippi until they decide to follow the Constitution. If the people of that state want to act like a bunch of backward knuckle draggers then let them pay their own bills.
Kali74
The most ironic part of all of this... Jesus, according to every version of the Bible in use, welcomed sinners... with open arms, and offered forgiveness. He kept company with sinners, without judgement, just told them that through him and his teachings they would find salvation and eternal life in His Father's Kingdom.
That's exactly why I had to part ways with organized religion. So much said and judged, so little actually followed.
Bone75
reply to post by kaylaluv
Again, the problem is with the cake and what it represents... not the sexual orientation of the customer. I wouldn't produce a wedding cake that has 2 grooms on top of it for anyone regardless of who they are.
That doesn't mean that I wouldn't make cakes for gay PEOPLE, it means I won't make cakes for gay WEDDINGS. There is a very big difference.
Kali74
reply to post by doubletap
Yeah. Let's keep pretending this Law only allows bakers to not make cakes for gay people.
Kali74
. I have no doubt in my mind that 90% of ATS would gladly put Leftists to death if they could get away with it.
Kali74
reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge
That's exactly what most of them would do. Feed the poor? Nope. Judge not? Nope. Let he who is without sin... nope. Most decry every behavior or notion Jesus had as evil Leftist. I have no doubt in my mind that 90% of ATS would gladly put Leftists to death if they could get away with it.
Kali74
reply to post by doubletap
Yeah. Let's keep pretending this Law only allows bakers to not make cakes for gay people.
doubletap
Kali74
. I have no doubt in my mind that 90% of ATS would gladly put Leftists to death if they could get away with it.
I'm not religious at all, never voted for a repiblican, and I definitely would. Leftists are a cancer and deserve to be treated as such.
Bone75
Kali74
reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge
That's exactly what most of them would do. Feed the poor? Nope. Judge not? Nope. Let he who is without sin... nope. Most decry every behavior or notion Jesus had as evil Leftist. I have no doubt in my mind that 90% of ATS would gladly put Leftists to death if they could get away with it.
I'll admit that you lefties are the most stubborn, unreasonable, insensitive, disrespectful, rude, and manipulative people on the face of the planet, but I still love you all no matter how frustrating conversing with you may be.
Maybe you're aware of these traits within yourself, which might explain your irrational paranoia?
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