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...but the poor folks that live there and can't afford to move are not brave, they are just stuck.
reply to post by Daedalus
Piers is an idiot, I've never liked him, even before the gun issue became popular, but just to clarify, the base DOES have armed security. Armed security is not a very good deterrent. They are uniformed, open carry, and stationed at known locations, so the bad guy either avoids the, or shoots them first. Simple.
What would have improved this situation would be to allow any base personnel to carry their weapons, open or concealed, their choice. When bad guy wants to do harm, it is much more difficult when you can't identify where the toughest resistance lies.
Gunfighting lore from the dawn of firearms proves that threat detection and efficient elimination is the key to winning the gunfight. From the bad guy's perspective, if you can't detect the threats, and you can't eliminate the threats, then you are not going to last long in the gunfight. If random people are armed, then the bad guy's reign will not last very long, and if he is smart, he will choose not to start the fight at all.
Random concealed carry is the deterrent, not armed security.
reply to post by 3shadesofblack
Piers is right and wrong in his tweets
"Shooter was receiving treatment & medication for 'depression, anxiety & other psychiatric complaints'. SO HOW DID HE BUY A GUN?" I agree with this 100%
"Why does this keep happening in our country?' - what many Americans ask about mass shootings. Well, because you do nothing about it."
He is right about that aswell
But. Good guys with guns (soilders) would have helped this case
reply to post by Daedalus
Usually (and quite thankfully) when a tragedy occurs, it is neither in close proximity to me nor does it effect my loved ones. The beauty of the internet is that I can compile information from all kinds of different sources and form an opinion on the issue, like we all do here.
That makes me feel like I'm part of the situation, doesn't it do that to you guys too? I think that's a good thing. Even though we all often dissent on our opinions we feel like we're doing our part to be a part of the solution and we take for granted just how far removed we might actually be from the situation.
And even though I'm certain that none of you mean disrespect to my friend, that's what it felt like when I was reading the posts. Here I am frantically calling my buddy hoping that he'll answer while keyboard warriors are talking about Muslim fanaticism, Barack Obama, etc. etc.
It just made me think about the times that I've speculated or thrown my unwarranted two cents in on an issue while somebody somewhere was DIRECTLY effected by said issue and I didn't even stop for a second to consider how they felt.
really, what weapons are those?
Weapons that can kill say 15 people in half a minute, why do you need that kind of firepower
yes, because all americans are rednecks, and all americans are irresponsible.... -rolls eyes
No, that was not a blanket statement, i was pointing out that uneducated, idiotic, irresponsible rednecks can own arms, but a soldier can't take one to work
soldiers are people, just like the rest of us...respect for the weapon has nothing to do with it, it's ALL training....whether or not you agree with the methodology, you are trained to handle your weapon a certain way, and you're conditioned to do it that way..
Yes, but a solider has better training under pressure and with firearms than most people
Piers Morgan is a pathetic, irrelevant, blowhard, with too much idiotic opinion, nearly no factual information, and absolutely no respect for this country...he should be deported...
That is an opinion
only if the current administration uses the poor dead people to push more illegal restrictions on the rights of the people...
Rights that are rrelevant today. Are you a member of a well reguleated militia? Yes? then go grab your musket and defend your state
just because you don't see it, doesn't mean nothing's happened
All i see is the blood, blood of the victims of mass shootings that don't stop
this really is all off-topic....maybe you should start a new thread, to bash firearms and their owners....i'd be happy to debate you there
I just might
Idiosonic nothing will happen until the next shooting when you just repeat the debate and once again nothing happens.
reply to post by NickDC202
I'm sorry it is still to early to pin it on the jihadists.
Way to earlier to tell.
It is from here: www.heavy.com...
Fox also said that Booker and the Fort Hood shooting was NOT related.
Some pages back that was posted.
The shooter was ID'd here as Muhammad Abdella Hasanedit on 4/2/2014 by NickDC202 because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Daedalus
While it is true that a significant percentage of UK citizens do not understand the right to bear arms, that is often because they have not read the history behind such a statute, or in the case of the USA, an amendment. It is also worth pointing out, that a generalisation, is never worth making. That said, I can understand why one might make this particular one, no matter how flawed the idea is!
this really is all off-topic....maybe you should start a new thread, to bash firearms and their owners....i'd be happy to debate you there..
I just might
Ivan Lopez has been identified as the shooter who brought terror to the Texas army base on Wednesday afternoon
Lopez, a 34-year-old married father, had served one tour in Iraq in 2011 but did he did not have any recorded combat experience
He started shooting from inside the medical building where he was seeking treatment for 'self-reported' brain injuries
Reportedly suffered from anxiety, depression and post traumatic stress disorder but had not been formally diagnosed at the time of the shooting
Killed three others and injured 16 people, some of whom are in critical condition
Lopez spent nine years in the Puerto Rico National Guard before going on active duty with a one-year deployment on the Sinai Peninsula and four months in Iraq, said Army Chief of Staff Raymond Odierno.
I know the initial reports are often erred. BUT, if he shot this many people with a model 1911 handgun from inside the building.