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No, Mr. President The debate is not over.

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posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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BrianFlanders
I wasn't aware that a mandate is debatable.
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Mandates are issued by the Pope.
Commands are issued by the military.




posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 09:09 AM
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A more accurate statement regarding both the ACA and climate change, would have been; "the debate is over for all but the idiots."

Just keep on listening to nut-jobs like Bill Kristol and the mindless repeal-aholics currently occupying the Congress and see where it gets ya.


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posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 10:20 AM
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But, did he add a "!" to his statement?

Because if he did, it is just as concrete as keeping your doctor.

People that support this moron are beyond any reasoning.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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The Affordable Care Act is certainly not perfect, but it sets us on the right path. Until now the United States was the ONLY - THE ONLY - developed nation that did not have a national healthcare system. It needs to be perfected, tweaked, improved, but it definitely has its pluses. Americans by nature are very protectionist and isolationist; they/we do not realize that we aren't the center of the universe, and that when the rest of the world sees how far down the list we are in Education, Healthcare, infant mortality, etc..etc.., they look at us with pity. Americans who cry "socialism!" when it comes to this topic of healthcare usually have no clear understanding of what socialism is, its benefits, and are very rarely ever able to discern the horrible effect the abuses of capitalism has had on this country. Capitalism and socialism both have benefits and detriments. The problem we deal with isn't the system, but the people running it. Humans are inherently selfish, and those in power seek to keep that power. If we could eliminate human selfishness, and create a society were everyone has the best interests of everyone else in mind then socialism would be a fairer system. Capitalism thrives because of selfishness.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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he Affordable Care Act is certainly not perfect, but it sets us on the right path. Until now the United States was the ONLY - THE ONLY - developed nation that did not have a national healthcare system. I


Hey ?

The US has more people on medicaid, and medicare than the entire populations of most EU countries.

That dog don't hunt.

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posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 12:02 PM
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Cynic
Mandates are issued by the Pope.
Commands are issued by the military.


Errr...not necessarily...

Mandate

mandate

—n
1. an official or authoritative instruction or command
2. politics the support or commission given to a government and its policies or an elected representative and his policies through an electoral victory
3. (often capital) Also called: mandated territory (formerly) any of the territories under the trusteeship of the League of Nations administered by one of its member states
4. a. Roman law a contract by which one person commissions another to act for him gratuitously and the other accepts the commission
b. contract law a contract of bailment under which the party entrusted with goods undertakes to perform gratuitously some service in respect of such goods
c. Scots law a contract by which a person is engaged to act in the management of the affairs of another

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posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 12:04 PM
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reply to post by neo96
 


Neo you got one thing right in you post, or rather the tittle:




Mr. President



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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The debate will end only when we the people give up on changing it! hey that
sounds familiar. Where did I hear this before? Oh well the Fascist policies of
the federal government of the USA is here to stay but IDK if Obama care is.
I am not surprised how the American people never have the ability to choose
what is written into law! As I don't believe our ability to vote is any kind of
real choice in being represented. So as this is how bad our country is, it's
no surprise to me how the public is being duped into believing that the
AMA is some kind of national healthcare because IMO all it is, is more
taxation and insurance company subsidies! What can we expect when
we have allowed crony capitalism to run rampant through our
republic? The time for action is long past due. May our children
be as forgiving of us, as we are ignorant of defining a republic!


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posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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And I'm GLAD we were the only country NOT to have national health care.

I agree our health care was in need of attention. MediCare and MedicAid are corrupt, without oversight...but THESE are the programs that were supposed to keep people from "falling through the cracks." These are the programs that were supposed to assist those who were uninsured. THESE are the programs that needed reform. We did not need an additional 20,000 pages of crappy legislation.

My best friend lives in Canada...with a nationalized health care system. She tells me it's the best and then she turns around and tells me she has to wait six weeks to get her special-needs daughter into a specialist to check and see if her vaginal bleeding is cancer. Then she tells me SHE had to wait a month for an MRI and when it was finally scheduled it was at TWO A. M.

I've had several MRI's...and every one of them was during the day. When I experienced bleeding, my primary care physician scheduled me for tests within two days and I was into a specialist inside of five.

I fail to see the benefit of nationalized health care...we will be standing in line just like we do at the DMV or the Unemployment Office. Our government should NOT be in the health care business. It is not their place. It is, simply, unconstitutional. In fact, the short list of what the Federal government SHOULD be doing is so far removed from what they are actually doing it's pathetic....and shameful....and quite frankly, terrifying.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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Social security its a marvel of government efficiency. They take 16% of people's money (8% out of their paychecks and 8% from the employment tax) then give it back 40 years later at something like a 0% interest rate. Those people thank them for it with the utmost sincerity. The government is clearly a highly efficient machine for leeching people's money and they have a gleaming mecca of great wealth for miles around Washington DC to show for it. The wealth effect actually radiates out several states away from Washington DC.

Medicaid is also a marvel of government efficiency. Pesky poor people are not a benefit for governments and the government wants them to go. Fortunately for them, Medicaid successfully kills them off at a higher rate than those having NO INSURANCE whatsoever.
Source: www.forbes.com...
If that isn't an amazing accomplishment I don't know what is. Insurance that actually kills people off instead of helping them. Wow!



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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Flatfish

A more accurate statement regarding both the ACA and climate change, would have been; "the debate is over for all but the idiots."

Just keep on listening to nut-jobs like Bill Kristol and the mindless repeal-aholics currently occupying the Congress and see where it gets ya.


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Hmmm.

I think we've seen plenty from the Congresses of 2007 thru 2010.

Especially 2009-2010 when no genuine debate was "allowed".



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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The saddest thing is that we are only sitting around talking about him.

It's about time to take to the streets.

Serioulsy.

And not just Obama. All those elected crooks in D.C.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 03:09 PM
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If we could eliminate human selfishness, and create a society were everyone has the best interests of everyone else in mind then socialism would be a fairer system. Capitalism thrives because of selfishness.


What is wrong with everyone taking care of their own problems and issues and asking for help from their neighbor when they need it?

Why do you choose to accept a life of indentured servitude to a government run by crooks, criminals, and asshats?

Why do you not understand the concept of "my work = my reward?"

I did not invent the concept of money. The metals of gold and silver did not achieve any sense of value upon my birth; these things were decided long before I was born. I do not like it and would change it in an instant if I had such power.

But I do not. And neither do you.

If you took all the money in the world and placed it all in one big pile...then distributed it equally amongst the masses, within a week, the people who had the money before will have the money again and the people who had no money before will have no money again...this should perfectly illustrate how government asshats obtain their money...

Troubles and problems? Try distributing those equally...within ONE SECOND, the people will demand to have their own troubles back...no one wants anything to do with the troubles of another...



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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schadenfreude
He's slipping, he forgot to call me a racist for not liking his plan.

Isn't rewriting laws he has no authority to do grounds for impeachment? (technically)


I don't know if rewriting laws is an impeachable offense. Generally laws are written by congress, passed by the senate and signed by the president. However... bribery is an impeachable offense, and the bill only passed on account of an executive order (for the most controversial part of the bill) signed to sway Bart Stupak (which he regrets) into voting for this turd.

Being as the house of reps has a majority of republicans (233-199) I don't see any reason they couldn't attempt to impeach him. I personally do not think this is solvent, it is way outside of our budget if the government has to subsidize the greater percentage of it, and we might need to learn a hard lesson on this one when it fails.

-d



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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Flatfish

A more accurate statement regarding both the ACA and climate change, would have been; "the debate is over for all but the idiots."

Just keep on listening to nut-jobs like Bill Kristol and the mindless repeal-aholics currently occupying the Congress and see where it gets ya.


Oh I know it isn't going to be repealed. And never was. This whole thing is a script and most of these people seem to be pretty good actors. I just wonder who wrote it.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 04:09 PM
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dovdov
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The Affordable Care Act is certainly not perfect, but it sets us on the right path. Until now the United States was the ONLY - THE ONLY - developed nation that did not have a national healthcare system. It needs to be perfected, tweaked, improved, but it definitely has its pluses.


Tell me that when they order everyone to buy life insurance. And when they start telling you what to eat, when to sleep and that you have to exercise and that you can't live your life the way you want to. That's what this precedent is for. That's the path you're going down.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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Thanks Wrabbit! After 23 major surgeries, pain management became part of my life unfortunately. I had heard about the birth control and all because that is what the MS was crying about so loudly. Then I read a story about per-existing conditions could cause your premiums to be higher! What? I thought that was part and parcel of the Act to not be singled out for higher premiums. OK, I can even understand the argument. But, to not cover iipain management at all really hit home. Now, in all fairness, as I live in Florida and Florida Blue was all the HealthCare.gov website had for a provider, they probably did it because this is a major retirement state and I would bet there are a lot of chronic severe pain sufferers here. Still, if they can nix that then all we have been told is not only all lies, but the people haven't even caught onto the deeper skullduggery.

I could have gone on SSI and disability back in 1991 when I broke my back, but I didn't. I have been about 30% rebuilt after being shot, broke pelvis and femur, tibia. I would rather work and fight on for many reasons, but come on. I know they keep pushing and pushing for me to take the easy way out, but there my friend you end up stuck. I have to laugh at the hoopla Obama thinks he has going for the success of the ACA. If people didn't catch on when he pushed deadlines just past major election dates, then there is little hope they will do anything about it in the voting booth until it is too late. It will have its greedy fingers entwined so tightly in 20% of the economy that it will be a near impossibility to get it out. So, we have to keep the debate up and keep telling people of the nasty little items we find. Thats all I can do. If people wake up and see the light, then maybe we can save this country. If not, well it was one heck of a ride lol! Glad I am older now and don't have that many years to deal with it. It's like the debt that everyone keeps howling about. Well, why does the $282 Trillion in unfunded liabilities not really shake them up. That means who ever was promised those unfunded liabilities won't be getting them if they can do something about the little ol $17 Trillion dollar debt. And China has just over $1.2 trillion of our debt if memory serves me correct. That memory could well need a dusting off lol! Hope you all have a great weekend coming up. Supposed to be some beautiful weather down here in Florida. Time to break out the grill and chill out with the family.





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posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 04:23 PM
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"The debate over repealing this law is over. - President Obama"



Spoken like a true authoritarian. Every single liberal in this country should shudder when they hear such absolutism and yet most of them are clapping.
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posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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What the people drooling all over Obama and Obamacare don't seem to understand is that this law is not going to grow on the people who hate it. I have never loved a bad law and a bad law has never grown on me over the years.

You folks just don't get it. Those of us who hate Obamacare might not have been too happy if Obama had taken office and did what he said he was going to do but at least it would have been what he was elected to do. But the mandate wasn't supposed to happen. Obama campaigned on a healthcare program with no mandate. He was chosen to run for president over Hitlary by telling people the fact that his plan had no mandate was a key difference between himself and Hitlary.

Not one single person voted for Obamacare as it's written. You couldn't have voted for it as it's written because he promised it would not be this way before anyone cast one vote for him.

Obamacare DID NOT HAVE A MANDATE until Obama was president (after you voted for him). He "changed his mind" within a year, as I recall. In my book, that's another lie. The biggest one of all. The one the media hasn't been talking about. Presumably because they know the mandate is the foundation of the entire law and this lie was the one that opened the door for all the rest of them.

Peculiar, isn't it? The fact that the Republicans haven't even made that big a deal out of this whopper that trumps all the other lies they did make a big deal out of. But then those lies had no ultimate impact on the existence of the law. All they did was forced Obama to "tweak" certain things. Which maybe was how he (and the rest of them) wanted it to start with.



posted on Apr, 3 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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Just wait until the employer mandate finally kicks in, then tell me the debate is over. Obama keeps kicking that can down the road as he knows it'll mean layoffs, spouses and children being booted from company plans, and skyrocketing premiums & deductibles for those who get their insurance through work. The debate is definitely not over.



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