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Hobby Lobby Hypocrisy

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posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:39 AM
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FlyersFan
No they are not. Hobby Lobby just doesn't want to pay for it.
That doesn't mean they are fighting to make sure the employees don't get it elsewhere.
Planned Parenthood hands it out for free. And condoms are 25 cents at corner gas stations ...
Anyone can get them.


Health Insurance just as Wages are part of the Employees compensation for Services Rendered.

Hobby Lobby do not PAY for contraception any more than they PAY for the Employees Rent/Mortgage or Car Payment.

Non of that, of course, addresses the Hypocrisy of purchasing their goods from a regime that is known for enforced abortion nor investing in abortion causing pharmaceuticals.

Please try to stay on topic.

edit on 2-4-2014 by BritofTexas because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:40 AM
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reply to post by neo96
 


Regardless of what Mitt Romney says, corporations are NOT people and can have no religious faith, conscience, or soul that can be judged and damned to hell.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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neo96
reply to post by beezzer
 


I have many issues about this manufactured outrage.

Among them is this:



The Yasmin lawyers at Saiontz & Kirk, P.A. are reviewing potential lawsuits for users of the Yaz or Yasmin birth control pill, as the drug maker has failed to adequately warn that otherwise healthy young women could face an increased risk of serious health problems caused by Yasmin side effects. - See more at: www.youhavealawyer.com...


www.yourlawyer.com...

Miraculously for some odd reason out of all big pharma products made.

Birth control is the 'safest'.

Which is why they are defending that epic stupidity.

I don't get it.


Apparently "big pharma" is bad and pushes unsafe drugs onto people and manipulates the market unless they like the product and then they are the good guys.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:51 AM
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BritofTexas

FlyersFan
No they are not. Hobby Lobby just doesn't want to pay for it.
That doesn't mean they are fighting to make sure the employees don't get it elsewhere.
Planned Parenthood hands it out for free. And condoms are 25 cents at corner gas stations ...
Anyone can get them.


Health Insurance just as Wages are part of the Employees compensation for Services Rendered.

Hobby Lobby do not PAY for contraception any more than they PAY for the Employees Rent/Mortgage or Car Payment.

Non of that, of course, addresses the Hypocrisy of purchasing their goods from a regime that is known for enforced abortion nor investing in abortion causing pharmaceuticals.

Please try to stay on topic.

edit on 2-4-2014 by BritofTexas because: (no reason given)


I agree that health care or any benefit are indeed part of compensation that employees are given for their services rendered, which is why this issue should be between the employer and the employee, not the government.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:54 AM
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Sorry to burst that demagogic bubble there.

Religion is not a 9 to 5 'job'.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:54 AM
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neo96
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So you think that people should be able to cry it's against my religion and do whatever they want regardless of what the law says?


Yeah I do because that is what the first amendment is for.

And for those who have seem to forget that constitution is NOY just a GD piece of paper"




Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


www.archives.gov...

Back to the Christainphobics bigoted little 'crusade'.
edit on 2-4-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


They are not stopping any person from exercising their religion. This may come as a shock to you but HL is not a person it is a company. These rights are for people not companies they own. So walk down to your local HL go up to the wall and ask it what is your religion? And to the people that cry companies are people the people part only applies to giving contributions to political parties so even if you apply the people part it still does not give them rights as citizens.

Also until the "Christians" that run HL actually start acting like Christians then you can start your Christianphobics whine.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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buster2010

neo96
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That is the only God they trust.


And apparently the only god the pro birth control crowd 'trust' is government.

That is nothing but an insult to women.

Being told they need a big strapping government to take care of them.


So you think that people should be able to cry it's against my religion and do whatever they want regardless of what the law says?


No.


However, the government should not be dictating who, what, or when anything is covered.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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I’m not focused on the supposed hypocrisy of Hobby Lobby. Do you want to know why? Because if our government is allowed to keep jamming this Obamacare garbage (it is a complete joke) down the throats of American businesses, there won’t be any Hobby Lobby; there won’t be any small businesses left. Most employers can’t afford it!!! But that doesn’t matter to the 1 million people who are now insured who weren’t before.

So, you see, this really is an insignificant topic…



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 12:08 PM
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However, the government should not be dictating who, what, or when anything is covered.


That is your opinion. One that, I might add, is unrealistic and obsolete.

Of course our government dictates who can do what. As I posted earlier, the EEOC ruled that companies that offer prescription drug coverage MUST also offer contraceptive coverage to their female employees, back in 2000.

So, why is Hobby Lobby only now upset? Why weren't their religious panties in a bunch back in 2000?



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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That is your opinion. One that, I might add, is unrealistic and obsolete.


It’s obsolete??? LMAO!!

…LIKE THE CONSTITUTION??

Paaaaaaleeeeeeezzzzeee!!



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 12:25 PM
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It's laughable that you think you live in country where the government doesn't regulate employment and working conditions, compensation and health care insurance, air, water and food quality, road rules etc.

U.S. Equal Employment
Opportunity Commission





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posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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Maybe Hobby Lobby should have been a church instead of a crafting store!



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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seabag
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I’m not focused on the supposed hypocrisy of Hobby Lobby. Do you want to know why? Because if our government is allowed to keep jamming this Obamacare garbage (it is a complete joke) down the throats of American businesses, there won’t be any Hobby Lobby; there won’t be any small businesses left. Most employers can’t afford it!!! But that doesn’t matter to the 1 million people who are now insured who weren’t before.

So, you see, this really is an insignificant topic…


Yeah it is after all all hobby lobby employees have to do is sign up at the ACA website to get whatever they wanted.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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windword
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However, the government should not be dictating who, what, or when anything is covered.


That is your opinion. One that, I might add, is unrealistic and obsolete.

Of course our government dictates who can do what. As I posted earlier, the EEOC ruled that companies that offer prescription drug coverage MUST also offer contraceptive coverage to their female employees, back in 2000.

So, why is Hobby Lobby only now upset? Why weren't their religious panties in a bunch back in 2000?


It is neither unrealistic nor obsolete. In fact, we went on for almost 200 years and prospered without government trying to micromanage everything. The cost of over the top government interference such as in the EEOC have harmed our economy and the ability to do business overall. People foolishly want government to solve all of their problems, probably because they do not have the fortitude to deal with life on their own, but that "protection" comes with a price.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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When you say "government trying to micromanage everything" do you mean regulations?
Before regulation we also had kids working in factories losing fingers, hands, arms, or even their lives. To say no regulation is good is ignoring the reasons it was needed in the first place. We have already seen the result of things when corporations are left to do as they will. History says it isn't good.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 02:48 PM
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BritofTexas
Non of that, of course, addresses the Hypocrisy of purchasing their goods from a regime that is known for enforced abortion nor investing in abortion causing pharmaceuticals.

THAT is true ... there is hypocrisy in them buying goods from a country that has forced labor and forced abortion.

Please try to stay on topic.

I was on topic. I directly addressed your opening post.

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BritofTexas
We all know Hobby Lobby and their little fight to deny Reproductive Health Care to their employees.


And again .. they aren't fighting to deny reproductive health care. They are just not paying for it. The people can get it elsewhere. If they were fighting to keep birth control from their employees, they'd be doing a lot more than just not paying for it ... and it IS their constitutional right not to have to pay for it.


If it were up to me there would be condom dispensers on every street corner in America. Put in a quarter ... get a condom. So no one think that I'm in religious agreement with the companies who have decided not to pay for it. But people have a right to run their companies as they wish - within the law. And the law says freedom of religion. Their religion says they can't help anyone with contraception or abortion. That's the bottom line. Their Constitutional right to freedom of religion.

People who work at Hobby Lobby know this. They have a choice to work there or not. If they work there, they know they have to get their birth control paid for elsewhere.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 03:03 PM
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Grimpachi
reply to post by NavyDoc
 

When you say "government trying to micromanage everything" do you mean regulations?
Before regulation we also had kids working in factories losing fingers, hands, arms, or even their lives. To say no regulation is good is ignoring the reasons it was needed in the first place. We have already seen the result of things when corporations are left to do as they will. History says it isn't good.


And we also have many examples of how bad things are when government is too overreaching as well. In fact, the body count from big government in the 20th century far outweighs the body count of "big corporations."

I love how the statist uses people dying in coal mines to justify governmental regulation of what skin color you may hire or what benefits you pay your employees. Just because some regulation may be beneficial, does not justify all regulation.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 03:20 PM
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And again .. they aren't fighting to deny reproductive health care. They are just not paying for it.


Not true

Hobby Lobby Wants to Stop Doctors From Talking to Its Employees About Contraception


In other words, these for-profit businesses aren't just asking their female employees to pay for their own contraception, even though they are already paying for their own contraception by paying for their insurance coverage. These companies want to elbow their way into doctor's offices and call the shots on what doctors can and cannot say to Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood employees.



The people can get it elsewhere.


Contraception is usually given with a prescription. How are HL employees supposed to go elsewhere for contraception when their gynecologists visits are covered but their prescription choices are limited by their employers so called religious objections?



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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windword
Not true

Again ... they aren't fighting the workers from getting contraception. Their religion is that they can't help people get it. And talking to a doctor about getting it is indeed breaking their religion. So they won't pay for a person to talk to a doctor about contraception. But they don't stop the person from going and talking ... as long as the person pays for it.


Contraception is usually given with a prescription.

Most contraception isn't. Over the counter. Condoms. Foam.
And as far as 'the pill' goes, Planned Parenthood and neighborhood clinics have them.
Anyone can walk in and get a prescription.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 03:28 PM
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It has now been shown that this whole Hobby Lobby Case is a total Lie and BS from the ground up, how can people still be taking their side???

It's not about Religious Freedom nor is it about some deeply held beliefs, this has been shown beyond all doubt. Or did you not pay attention?? If that is the case, let's recap.

Deeply held beliefs against helping with abortions.
Really, then why is Hobby Lobby heavily invested in the drug companies who are actually making the drugs for abortion??? I'll tell you why, because if they can make money off abortion drugs then it's ok with them. But not if they have to pay for them. That's why.

Religious Freedom my ASS!!! That is nothing but a political game being played by them and their legal team upon the emotional side of people in this totally BS argument which is now proven to be a full on LIE.

I just don't get it. What does it take for some of you to see the obvious??? Even when it's put right there for you to see.



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