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Hobby Lobby Hypocrisy

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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 07:48 AM
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Its a weak argument, because even in the case of a miscarriage, a human life isn't terminated by a choice. Abortion, whether by pill method or otherwise, intentionally and willfully terminates a human life. And Hobby Lobby wants no part of the intentional and willful act of terminating a human life, much to their credit.


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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 07:59 AM
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rickynews
Its a weak argument, because even in the case of a miscarriage, a human life isn't terminated by a choice. Abortion, whether by pill method or otherwise, intentionally and willfully terminates a human life. And Hobby Lobby wants no part of the intentional and willful act of terminating a human life, much to their credit.


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yup, correct.

i agree with that.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 08:09 AM
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rickynews
Its a weak argument, because even in the case of a miscarriage, a human life isn't terminated by a choice. Abortion, whether by pill method or otherwise, intentionally and willfully terminates a human life. And Hobby Lobby wants no part of the intentional and willful act of terminating a human life, much to their credit.


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But much to their discredit they are stock holders in not just contraception companies but companies that deals with abortions..that's why they are full of it.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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Produce the evidence that Hobby Lobby "are stock holders in not just contraception companies but companies that deals with abortions"



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 08:41 AM
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rickynews
Produce the evidence that Hobby Lobby "are stock holders in not just contraception companies but companies that deals with abortions"



Hobby Lobby Invested In Numerous Abortion
And Contraception Products While Claiming Religious Objection

www.forbes.com... ts-while-claiming-religious-objection/
www.documentcloud.org...

The above is from that super liberal rag Forbes magazine the last link is from their savings Incentives and profit sharing plan this includes Aetna and Humana, two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs,
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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 08:57 AM
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Humana and Aetna also provide prenatal care for both the mother and child among many other "pro-life" medical coverages, so an abstract diversion argument doesn't change the truth or the facts.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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rickynews
Humana and Aetna also provide prenatal care for both the mother and child among many other "pro-life" medical coverages, so an abstract diversion argument doesn't change the truth or the facts.



Facts that you are neither representing, presenting or seem to have a clue of! The ACA does NOT cover abortions or the abortion pill. The contraceptives in question do NOT cause abortions or miscarriages.

These are facts. Please, stick to these medical facts in your argument for religious freedom.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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Ricky I really don't care what they do or not but they are being hypocrites,if they are God fearing as they claimed to be they would not have sullied themselves with those companies you can't drink clean water from a dirty glass.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 09:24 AM
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I respect that you may find yourself relatively indifferent on this issue and/or case, and I also respect Hobby Lobby's fight against this Federal Government dictating their ill-advised agenda onto them, and therefore the rest of us. We The People indeed have certain unalienable Rights, that under the U.S. Constitution, are granted to us NOT by the Federal Government, but are granted to us by Almighty God. The Hobby Lobby case, simply put, is this Federal Government's over reach in an attempt to deny the individual and organizations their freedom and liberty to maintain their moral conscience, and force We The People into financing, subsidizing and in essence paying for the misguided choices of others in our society, in so much as we are forced to participate and pay for something that is forbidden in our respective faiths, whatever they may be.

If Hobby Lobby loses its rights under our constitution, then We The People, ...All of us, ...also lose.

Let's be real. People that want to practice birth control or have induced abortions are going to do so regardless of the outcome of this case, and their freedom to do so is in no way jeopardized by a ruling in Hobby Lobby's favor. However, a ruling against Hobby Lobby will in fact trample on individuals and organizations' rights to not participate in what they find to be morally reprehensible.

This is not only an important moral issue for many Americans, this is a liberty and freedom issue...and I say Let Freedom Reign.

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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 09:45 AM
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Hobby Lobby has no more right to dictate their employees health care needs and choices than they do to dictate how they spend their paychecks.

Health care is part of a compensation package. Hobby Lobby has no right to decide how employees "spend" their compensation. If the owners of Hobby Lobby don't like certain contraceptives, they don't have to use them, but they can't prevent their employees, by restricting how they spend their "compensation".

If Hobby Lobby wins, We the People lose. We loses to every nut job who wants to decide that you can't use your health care compensation package to get a vaccine, mental health assistance, blood transfusions, organ transplants, treatment for SDIs or HIV/AIDS.

Nope, business owners who draw their profits from the secular sector of society, using the postal delivery services, roads, electrical and other fuel infrastructures, police and fire, etc., must also abide by secular laws.

Any religious nut job can have an opinion and want to stone an adulterer or rebellious teenagers, beat their wives, sell their 9 year old daughter into marriage to pay off their debt, mutilate the genitals of their young women so they will never feel sexual pleasure............... but all these religious practices are illegal in western society.

If Hobby Lobby wins, they all win, and We the People lose!


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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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Non-sense. Hobby Lobby is in no way attempting to dictate the birth control or abortion practices of others using their own money to pay for it themselves. Instead, the Federal Government is attempting, through ACA, to force Hobby Lobby to cover, through health insurance provided to employees, to pay for said birth control and abortions on behalf of their employees. There is no "free lunch", and there certainly should be no "free birth control" or "free abortions" either. You want coverage for these life-style choices? Then you can elect the coverage benefit, and You pay for it. Get off the U.S. taxpayers back.


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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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rickynews
Its a weak argument, because even in the case of a miscarriage, a human life isn't terminated by a choice. Abortion, whether by pill method or otherwise, intentionally and willfully terminates a human life. And Hobby Lobby wants no part of the intentional and willful act of terminating a human life, much to their credit.


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Other than they reportedly invest in a company who makes the pills you mean, right? As in the point of this thread. As in the hypocrisy part.


Several of the mutual funds in Hobby Lobby’s retirement plan have holdings in companies that manufacture the specific drugs and devices that the Green family, which owns Hobby Lobby, is fighting to keep out of Hobby Lobby’s health care policies: the emergency contraceptive pills Plan B and Ella, and copper and hormonal intrauterine devices.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:03 AM
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The issue is "free abortions" in healthcare insurance coverage being paid for by the rest of us, the taxpayers.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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rickynews
The issue is "free abortions" in healthcare insurance coverage being paid for by the rest of us, the taxpayers.


You might want to reread the OP.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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Personal choices have consequences on the individual person making the choice, NOT an obligation (financial or otherwise), forced onto the rest of the members of society to somehow become responsible for other peoples individual choices. Plain and Simple.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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I don't know if you're just dense or if you're purposely being obtuse and argumentative.



Non-sense. Hobby Lobby is in no way attempting to dictate the birth control or abortion practices of others using their own money to pay for it themselves. Instead, the Federal Government is attempting, through ACA, to force Hobby Lobby to cover, through health insurance provided to employees, to pay for said birth control and abortions on behalf of their employees.


No they aren't. Abortion is not covered in the ACA and Hobby Lobby has already been covering birth control.


There is no "free lunch", and there certainly should be no "free birth control" or "free abortions" either.


Health care isn't free. It's part of an employee's compensation package for the work that they perform, and, they also pay into their health care package through payroll deductions and co-payments.

Again, please get this through your head, abortions aren't covered under the ACA!



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:11 AM
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I have, and Hobby Lobby does not want, or intend, to pay for free abortions as a healthcare insurance benefit for its employees.



posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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Insults and name calling isn't productive.

Prior to ACA, abortion pill (aka RU486) was an elective coverage benefit. If you elected this coverage, you paid extra. ACA attempts to make this coverage benefit mandatory, forcing either the insurance provider, employer and taxpayer or some combination thereof, left to pay for said coverage - thus Hobby Lobby's contesting this aspect of ACA.


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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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Prior to ACA, abortion pill (aka RU486) was an elective coverage benefit. If you elected this coverage, you paid extra. ACA attempts to make this coverage benefit mandatory, forcing either the insurance provider, employer and taxpayer or some combination thereof, left to pay for said coverage - thus Hobby Lobby's contesting this aspect of ACA.


LIES

Okay. I'm done with you!

You're just posting lies and falsehoods to perpetuate ignorance and strife. You're posting behavior is obviously the very definition of trolling.




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posted on Apr, 7 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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Just here to provide truth and facts and shed some light on the subject if you will. Nothing personal, and certainly didn't intend to upset you.
All the best to you.



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