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We're talking hypothetically, Neo.
beezzer
reply to post by sheepslayer247
What we're all forgetting is that healthcare is NOT a right.
It is a commodity.
Now being subsidized by the government.
spurgeonatorsrevenge
neo96
reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge
Well ACA is very close to Newt Gingrich's plan that was very popular with the right wing crowd. The LAST GOP presidential nominee helped design the mechanisms that are a key part to Obama care.
And all my medicare patients love it, their copay is $5-10 dollars, medicare is cheaper to run than private insurance and they pay providers on time.
It is not a monopoly, people like you can opt out and/or buy private insurance just like they do all over the world.
Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house...
neo96
reply to post by butcherguy
Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house...
That's already happened.
'Everyone gets a home' !
Doesn't matter if they can afford it or not.
And it created the financial 'crisis' that was 'sold' as the 'second great depression'.
sheepslayer247
reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge
This is why we must keep pushing for universal healthcare.
Obama was right in responding to the healthcare crisis, but he did not go far enough and should of never even tried to appease Republicans because they wanted to maintain the old system rescission and all .
Don't like Obamacare, well then lets get universal coverage going
I actually agree. Considering how much money is spent on healthcare, insurance and government subsidies, etc.....we could easily have a universal system that covers everyone and allows the medical industry to profit. But if we did that, it would make the insurance companies obsolete. Can't have that can we?
Obama didn't go far enough, as you said, and without going straight to Universal HC we could have at least implemented a "public option". This didn't happen because the PO was considered "socialist", when in fact it's based on the capitalist idea of "buying in bulk".
edit on 1-4-2014 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
adly, we can't trust the private-sector anymore either.
butcherguy
beezzer
reply to post by sheepslayer247
What we're all forgetting is that healthcare is NOT a right.
It is a commodity.
Now being subsidized by the government.
Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house... one that meets a certain standard, and if you like your house you can keep your house......period.
Having a home is important. There are probably 45 million homeless, according to a govt study set to come out tomorrow (after they read this post and get an idea) and a new program called the 'Affordable Housing Act' (Obamahome) will make 50 million people homeless and get 5 million people that were forced into homelessness by the law a 'new' house.
COMING SOON...... OBAMAFOOD!
If you like your sandwich, you can keep your sandwich.... PERIOD.edit on bu302014-04-01T12:01:01-05:0012America/ChicagoTue, 01 Apr 2014 12:01:01 -050012u14 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)
This nation is not capable of maintaining universal HC. It works in much smaller, less populated and more homogenous places. It won't work here. How well does our huge megalithic government run anything but the military? How well do they run Medicaid or Medicare? How well do they run our school system? This nation used to be good at industry and they ruined that too. Why do you want them screwing with HC? The poor had options. Why screw it for everyone else who either had employer coverage or self-payers? You want guaranteed insurance for pre-existing conditions? I'm fine with that. Make a law that no one can be "discriminated" against. We already have those laws. Use it to enforce HC coverage.
spurgeonatorsrevenge
neo96
reply to post by Bilk22
I feel the numbers are much more bleak than they would dare tell us.
Yep if they really were what they sold themselves as 'The most transparent administration in US history'.
We would know the real numbers.
How many enrolled.
How many paid.
How many did not previously didn't 'have' insurance.
How many people signed up with 'prexisiting' conditions.
They are full of crap.
Defending the indefensible.
The ACA is pure fascism, and they don't care.edit on 1-4-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
The Insurance companies are Nazis, they need to be put down in their place.
Opt in Universal Healthcare, then YOU are free to buy private insurance and I am free to pay for my medicare, both are happy.
spurgeonatorsrevenge
sheepslayer247
reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge
This is why we must keep pushing for universal healthcare.
Obama was right in responding to the healthcare crisis, but he did not go far enough and should of never even tried to appease Republicans because they wanted to maintain the old system rescission and all .
Don't like Obamacare, well then lets get universal coverage going
I actually agree. Considering how much money is spent on healthcare, insurance and government subsidies, etc.....we could easily have a universal system that covers everyone and allows the medical industry to profit. But if we did that, it would make the insurance companies obsolete. Can't have that can we?
Obama didn't go far enough, as you said, and without going straight to Universal HC we could have at least implemented a "public option". This didn't happen because the PO was considered "socialist", when in fact it's based on the capitalist idea of "buying in bulk".
edit on 1-4-2014 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
IMO, It wouldn't make the insurance companies obsolete, I think it would make them competitive. And if our friends who truly believe in the power of the private market, they would put their money where their mouth is. Think about it, we have community colleges AND Harvard, cheap education didn't harm Harvard, Yale, Stanford... did it???
If you look at countries that have universal coverage it is common for people to buy private supplemental, but I think in our country I think there should be an OPT OUT option so our certain people can stay away from government products.
But one thing I have noticed is that the opposition is not very rational. It is often hard to tell if they are against; the government, or people seeing doctors, or poor people seeing doctors. Yet sometimes it seems as if they are concerned about the corporations themselves (they must all be share holders lol )
My point is, the majority of these people (you know who I mean) do not speak or act in good faith because they are afraid that their real position or feelings are TOO ugly for the public to support at mass. The fact that they hate poor people because they are poor, is not a very good reason to oppose insurance for all, but "COMMUNISM" is which is why the opposition stays away from real reasons and simply deals in fear or conflation.
Anyhow, I am a centrist and as you can tell the right has taken a train way far to the right.
We don't need extremism, we need moderation.
Krazysh0t
reply to post by muse7
So what's the demographics of that 7 million? How many of those people are people with prior conditions or on subsidized plans that need others' tax money to pay for it? How many of those people are 20-somethings (the demographic this bill was designed to bankrupt to pay for the prior condition and subsidy crowd)? How many of those people have paid their first premium? I notice you celebrate people wading past the lies and misinformation spread by the detractors, but I notice you failed to mention your own side's lies and misinformation.
The government had very little to do with that.
The only blame we can place on the government is that they repealed Glass-Steagle and that led to the mortgage-bundling and selling by banks and investors that tanked the industry.
sheepslayer247
reply to post by neo96
You're right Neo. We can't trust the government because they are not trustworthy and have failed us many times.
Sadly, we can't trust the private-sector anymore either. They work with the government and receive subsidies/tax-breaks, yet continue to gouge consumers to no end.
Since it seems that we are "taking it in both ends", we can at least theorize on what system would be best for everyone.
butcherguy
Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house... one that meets a certain standard, and if you like your house you can keep your house......period.
Having a home is important. There are probably 45 million homeless, according to a govt study set to come out tomorrow (after they read this post and get an idea) and a new program called the 'Affordable Housing Act' (Obamahome) will make 50 million people homeless and get 5 million people that were forced into homelessness by the law a 'new' house.
COMING SOON...... OBAMAFOOD!
If you like your sandwich, you can keep your sandwich.... PERIOD.edit on bu302014-04-01T12:01:01-05:0012America/ChicagoTue, 01 Apr 2014 12:01:01 -050012u14 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)
spurgeonatorsrevenge
sheepslayer247
reply to post by neo96
You're right Neo. We can't trust the government because they are not trustworthy and have failed us many times.
Sadly, we can't trust the private-sector anymore either. They work with the government and receive subsidies/tax-breaks, yet continue to gouge consumers to no end.
Since it seems that we are "taking it in both ends", we can at least theorize on what system would be best for everyone.
The benefit is that the government can negotiate price schedules, free of having to consider PROFIT. So a private company does the labor and pushes the paper, and the government sets the standards and holds the banks account.
beezzer
reply to post by sheepslayer247
What we're all forgetting is that healthcare is NOT a right.
It is a commodity.
Now being subsidized by the government.