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Affordable Care Act "obamacare", on track to meet enrollee goal

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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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We're talking hypothetically, Neo.


I'm not.

I do not nor will I ever 'trust' the US government.

Just like our ancenstors intended.




posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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beezzer
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What we're all forgetting is that healthcare is NOT a right.

It is a commodity.

Now being subsidized by the government.

Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house... one that meets a certain standard, and if you like your house you can keep your house......period.

Having a home is important. There are probably 45 million homeless, according to a govt study set to come out tomorrow (after they read this post and get an idea) and a new program called the 'Affordable Housing Act' (Obamahome) will make 50 million people homeless and get 5 million people that were forced into homelessness by the law a 'new' house.

COMING SOON...... OBAMAFOOD!


If you like your sandwich, you can keep your sandwich.... PERIOD.
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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You're right Neo. We can't trust the government because they are not trustworthy and have failed us many times.

Sadly, we can't trust the private-sector anymore either. They work with the government and receive subsidies/tax-breaks, yet continue to gouge consumers to no end.

Since it seems that we are "taking it in both ends", we can at least theorize on what system would be best for everyone.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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spurgeonatorsrevenge

neo96
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Well ACA is very close to Newt Gingrich's plan that was very popular with the right wing crowd. The LAST GOP presidential nominee helped design the mechanisms that are a key part to Obama care.


And all my medicare patients love it, their copay is $5-10 dollars, medicare is cheaper to run than private insurance and they pay providers on time.

It is not a monopoly, people like you can opt out and/or buy private insurance just like they do all over the world.




Newt Gingrich is part of the good ol boys club. they pretend to be at war with the left yet they hit up the bars together after a hard days work. almost all the GOP as a hole is no different then the liberals.

the only qualified person in the GOP now a days is Ran Paul
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:02 PM
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Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house...


That's already happened.

'Everyone gets a home' !

Doesn't matter if they can afford it or not.

And it created the financial 'crisis' that was 'sold' as the 'second great depression'.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:02 PM
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DP
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:05 PM
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neo96
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Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house...


That's already happened.

'Everyone gets a home' !

Doesn't matter if they can afford it or not.

And it created the financial 'crisis' that was 'sold' as the 'second great depression'.


Yes, but that did not accomplish the amount of destruction to the economy that Obamahome could.

That is what our Emperor seems geared to do.
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:05 PM
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sheepslayer247
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This is why we must keep pushing for universal healthcare.

Obama was right in responding to the healthcare crisis, but he did not go far enough and should of never even tried to appease Republicans because they wanted to maintain the old system rescission and all .

Don't like Obamacare, well then lets get universal coverage going


I actually agree. Considering how much money is spent on healthcare, insurance and government subsidies, etc.....we could easily have a universal system that covers everyone and allows the medical industry to profit. But if we did that, it would make the insurance companies obsolete. Can't have that can we?

Obama didn't go far enough, as you said, and without going straight to Universal HC we could have at least implemented a "public option". This didn't happen because the PO was considered "socialist", when in fact it's based on the capitalist idea of "buying in bulk".

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IMO, It wouldn't make the insurance companies obsolete, I think it would make them competitive. And if our friends who truly believe in the power of the private market, they would put their money where their mouth is. Think about it, we have community colleges AND Harvard, cheap education didn't harm Harvard, Yale, Stanford... did it???

If you look at countries that have universal coverage it is common for people to buy private supplemental, but I think in our country I think there should be an OPT OUT option so our certain people can stay away from government products.

But one thing I have noticed is that the opposition is not very rational. It is often hard to tell if they are against; the government, or people seeing doctors, or poor people seeing doctors. Yet sometimes it seems as if they are concerned about the corporations themselves (they must all be share holders lol )

My point is, the majority of these people (you know who I mean) do not speak or act in good faith because they are afraid that their real position or feelings are TOO ugly for the public to support at mass. The fact that they hate poor people because they are poor, is not a very good reason to oppose insurance for all, but "COMMUNISM" is which is why the opposition stays away from real reasons and simply deals in fear or conflation.

Anyhow, I am a centrist and as you can tell the right has taken a train way far to the right.

We don't need extremism, we need moderation.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:05 PM
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adly, we can't trust the private-sector anymore either.


I don't trust the private sector either, but then again no company ever forced me to buy their products.

The reality is I have never had any problems from them.

Other than coming on ATS are reading how I should 'hate' them so much.

That has been repeated ad infinitum on here.

All my problems come from government.

They need to keep their hands of my healthcare.
They need to keep their hands off my email, and cell phone records.
They need to keep their hands off my guns.
They need to keep their hands off my money.

They need to keep their hands off of my liberty.

To name a few.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:06 PM
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The government had very little to do with that. The only blame we can place on the government is that they repealed Glass-Steagle and that led to the mortgage-bundling and selling by banks and investors that tanked the industry.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:06 PM
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butcherguy

beezzer
reply to post by sheepslayer247
 


What we're all forgetting is that healthcare is NOT a right.

It is a commodity.

Now being subsidized by the government.

Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house... one that meets a certain standard, and if you like your house you can keep your house......period.

Having a home is important. There are probably 45 million homeless, according to a govt study set to come out tomorrow (after they read this post and get an idea) and a new program called the 'Affordable Housing Act' (Obamahome) will make 50 million people homeless and get 5 million people that were forced into homelessness by the law a 'new' house.

COMING SOON...... OBAMAFOOD!


If you like your sandwich, you can keep your sandwich.... PERIOD.
edit on bu302014-04-01T12:01:01-05:0012America/ChicagoTue, 01 Apr 2014 12:01:01 -050012u14 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)


your giving them ideas, please stop for the love of god. or if your a lib, for the love of government.....



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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spurgeonatorsrevenge

neo96
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I feel the numbers are much more bleak than they would dare tell us.


Yep if they really were what they sold themselves as 'The most transparent administration in US history'.

We would know the real numbers.

How many enrolled.
How many paid.
How many did not previously didn't 'have' insurance.
How many people signed up with 'prexisiting' conditions.

They are full of crap.

Defending the indefensible.

The ACA is pure fascism, and they don't care.
edit on 1-4-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


The Insurance companies are Nazis, they need to be put down in their place.

Opt in Universal Healthcare, then YOU are free to buy private insurance and I am free to pay for my medicare, both are happy.
This nation is not capable of maintaining universal HC. It works in much smaller, less populated and more homogenous places. It won't work here. How well does our huge megalithic government run anything but the military? How well do they run Medicaid or Medicare? How well do they run our school system? This nation used to be good at industry and they ruined that too. Why do you want them screwing with HC? The poor had options. Why screw it for everyone else who either had employer coverage or self-payers? You want guaranteed insurance for pre-existing conditions? I'm fine with that. Make a law that no one can be "discriminated" against. We already have those laws. Use it to enforce HC coverage.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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spurgeonatorsrevenge

sheepslayer247
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This is why we must keep pushing for universal healthcare.

Obama was right in responding to the healthcare crisis, but he did not go far enough and should of never even tried to appease Republicans because they wanted to maintain the old system rescission and all .

Don't like Obamacare, well then lets get universal coverage going


I actually agree. Considering how much money is spent on healthcare, insurance and government subsidies, etc.....we could easily have a universal system that covers everyone and allows the medical industry to profit. But if we did that, it would make the insurance companies obsolete. Can't have that can we?

Obama didn't go far enough, as you said, and without going straight to Universal HC we could have at least implemented a "public option". This didn't happen because the PO was considered "socialist", when in fact it's based on the capitalist idea of "buying in bulk".

edit on 1-4-2014 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)


IMO, It wouldn't make the insurance companies obsolete, I think it would make them competitive. And if our friends who truly believe in the power of the private market, they would put their money where their mouth is. Think about it, we have community colleges AND Harvard, cheap education didn't harm Harvard, Yale, Stanford... did it???

If you look at countries that have universal coverage it is common for people to buy private supplemental, but I think in our country I think there should be an OPT OUT option so our certain people can stay away from government products.

But one thing I have noticed is that the opposition is not very rational. It is often hard to tell if they are against; the government, or people seeing doctors, or poor people seeing doctors. Yet sometimes it seems as if they are concerned about the corporations themselves (they must all be share holders lol )

My point is, the majority of these people (you know who I mean) do not speak or act in good faith because they are afraid that their real position or feelings are TOO ugly for the public to support at mass. The fact that they hate poor people because they are poor, is not a very good reason to oppose insurance for all, but "COMMUNISM" is which is why the opposition stays away from real reasons and simply deals in fear or conflation.

Anyhow, I am a centrist and as you can tell the right has taken a train way far to the right.

We don't need extremism, we need moderation.


Further more, to include these people in future debate is akin to including a suicide bomber in middle east peace talks.
This is the rub obviously... They will always try to do what is wrong for average people because they champion what is good for corporations and the rich, which usually involves wide-scale exploitation of average people.
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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Krazysh0t
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So what's the demographics of that 7 million? How many of those people are people with prior conditions or on subsidized plans that need others' tax money to pay for it? How many of those people are 20-somethings (the demographic this bill was designed to bankrupt to pay for the prior condition and subsidy crowd)? How many of those people have paid their first premium? I notice you celebrate people wading past the lies and misinformation spread by the detractors, but I notice you failed to mention your own side's lies and misinformation.


All i can say is he is right my friend. Not the crap the Republicans have been peddling. Here my wife has insurance for the first time in years. So does our son and his friends who are in the young bracket you are so worried about. I never understood why people are so asinine to oppose something that is good.

Heck, even universal government health care would have been better than what we had. Every other modern country has healthcare for all of their citizens. But not America, we are too greedy for that. Because that is what it all boils down to in the end, money and greed.

You can't argue yourself out of that box no matter what you say or do. I am privileged enough to have an honest hard working sister who is also a very successful doctor. She was one of the first to come out and support healthcare reform and to say the system was broken and run by insurance companies. She was honest about doctors made too much money and that the system was rigged.

That it would be better if we did have a single pay system without the insurance companies. That in essence they were all stealing people blind. She can tell you everything that is wrong with a system based on greed and not the oath they all take.

Neither she or i think this is perfect and we know there is still a lot of work to do to make it better. But we also know that anything was better than the nothing we had before.

So if you don't have to something positive to say do like your momma always told ya and shut the hell up lol.

The Bot



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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The government had very little to do with that.


Really ?



They had EVERYTHING To do with it.

'They have to pass the bill to know what's in it'.




The only blame we can place on the government is that they repealed Glass-Steagle and that led to the mortgage-bundling and selling by banks and investors that tanked the industry.


They claim to be 'free market' ! ! ! !

In a 'free market' the ACA does not exist.

Neither does 'universal healthare'.

Neither does medicare, and medicaid.

Neither does social security.

See for those who really do believe in a free market (clearly Obama care defenders) don't believe in a free market.

And social engineering programs would not exist either.

A free market would have let the banks fail.

There would be no 'baliout's for business or people.
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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sheepslayer247
reply to post by neo96
 


You're right Neo. We can't trust the government because they are not trustworthy and have failed us many times.

Sadly, we can't trust the private-sector anymore either. They work with the government and receive subsidies/tax-breaks, yet continue to gouge consumers to no end.

Since it seems that we are "taking it in both ends", we can at least theorize on what system would be best for everyone.


I sort of agree...

The government HAS failed us MANY, MANY, MANY times. But then again the government is already in this business; MEDICARE, they administer the program for nearly half of what some private companies allocate. In my expert opinion (medical biller) Medicare is one of the best insurance providers in America for reasons dealing with cost --- to --- administration. I also like Kaiser, however I have lost several family members/friends to misdiagnosis at Kaiser.

ALSO, what people don't realize is that all the government doesn't even administer Medicare, A PRIVATE COMPANY DOES lol
The benefit is that the government can negotiate price schedules, free of having to consider PROFIT. So a private company does the labor and pushes the paper, and the government sets the standards and holds the banks account.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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Back to the main point of this thread. . . .

So "7 million" signed up.

If Obamacare was so wonderful, then why isn't the number @ 300 million?

So @ 2% of the population signed up to Obamacare. (Not paid, not enrolled, just signed into the website)

So 2 out of every 100 people signed up.

While 8 out of every 100 people still are uninsured.

Plus, more people now are working less hours due to employers cutting back on the 30 hour full-time rule brought forth by the emperor.

that leaves 90 out of 100 people who have yet to be affected, punished by this draconian mandate because the emperor pushed back the mandate until after the elections.

10 out of 100 people won't be enough for a full scale riot.

90 out of 100 people will.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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butcherguy
Just wait until citizens are forced to buy a house... one that meets a certain standard, and if you like your house you can keep your house......period.

Having a home is important. There are probably 45 million homeless, according to a govt study set to come out tomorrow (after they read this post and get an idea) and a new program called the 'Affordable Housing Act' (Obamahome) will make 50 million people homeless and get 5 million people that were forced into homelessness by the law a 'new' house.

COMING SOON...... OBAMAFOOD!


If you like your sandwich, you can keep your sandwich.... PERIOD.
edit on bu302014-04-01T12:01:01-05:0012America/ChicagoTue, 01 Apr 2014 12:01:01 -050012u14 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)


Does messing with the school lunches count as ObamaFood? It seems like it would.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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spurgeonatorsrevenge

sheepslayer247
reply to post by neo96
 


You're right Neo. We can't trust the government because they are not trustworthy and have failed us many times.

Sadly, we can't trust the private-sector anymore either. They work with the government and receive subsidies/tax-breaks, yet continue to gouge consumers to no end.

Since it seems that we are "taking it in both ends", we can at least theorize on what system would be best for everyone.



The benefit is that the government can negotiate price schedules, free of having to consider PROFIT. So a private company does the labor and pushes the paper, and the government sets the standards and holds the banks account.


negotiate price schedules? o, like Carter did for oil back in the 70's? that works well huh....

worked well in Venezuela these passed few months too with price controls on food and such, seems people cant find anymore food.
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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 12:36 PM
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beezzer
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What we're all forgetting is that healthcare is NOT a right.

It is a commodity.

Now being subsidized by the government.


Had FDR gotten the second bill of rights passed it would have been a right. And the founding fathers had no problem taxing incoming ships to pay for medical care for sailors that were hurt or crippled while working.



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