Originally posted by khruschev
It's more like western propaganda against the East, but whatever. It is you who lie to people in the East about all the freedoms, but you can't even
elect the president without a coup d'etat.
What country are you from? Cuba? Yes, everyoen wants to leave and go to USA because of their excellent propaganda telling them how life is great in
USA, but the truth is the life is much better in Communism, and many people want ot go back, but they can't, it is too late.
Russia is now a democratic state, you might say partially or whatever, but I don't really care about what you think. The Constitution says it all.
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Those same defectors are traitors. And traitors don't choose those who they betray. One day they defect from USSR to USA, another they defect from
USA to Japan, and so on and on and on... They are born like that and I have apsolutely no respect for them! If and only if a US high ranking officer
defected to Russia, and would tell me everything he knows, and at the same time another guy would be saying similar things in the US I would trust him
more that the defector. Of course the defectors' words must be taken into account but come on, you can't base your opinion on that, since just like
the man is everything he says are lies.
Good try from a communist to bring doubt on the word of defectors, and there are many khruschev. Some people that used to live in communist countries
want to "visit their families" but they do not want back to a communist system....although things are done and said in Russia by those in power that
is making the people believe they want back to the old system...that they can't really have a democracy or republic.
BTW, you really can't be trying to tell us now that "the Cuban government is tellling Cubans that the U.S.A. is a good country".....that's
laughable. Fidel would never say that of the U.S..these people want to leave, because communism sucks, and it's killing them....and fyi the kind of
misinformation "you are giving" only works on people that are under a communist regime and have no idea what is really happening in the world except
by what their dictators tell them.
The Russian media does not have the freedom that the U.S media has, as in the last independant station that Putin shot down.... Although there are
certain things i do not agree with the U.S. media in the way they give some information, it is part of what freedom of the press is all about, and
this is lacking in Russia...
Oh btw i am sure there will be no defectors from the U.S. to Russia...unless they were already spies working for the Kremlin and living in the U.S.
Going back to the topic, as another member said, what the "Russian Constitution" says and what is happening in Russia are two different things...
Let's find out from a book written in 1984 by a Russian military defector on what the officials of the U.S.S.R decided to do since 1958.
Nagorno-Karabag: A Case Study in "Perestroika"
by Dennis R. Papazian, Ph.D.
Dr. Dennis R. Papazian is a professor of Soviet history, the founder/director of the Armenian Research Center at The University of Michigan, Dearborn,
and a member of the faculty of the Center for Russian and East European Studies at The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. This paper is a preliminary
draft/study written for oral delivery at the annual conference of the AAASS in Washington, DC, Friday, October 19, 1990.
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More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a
massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable. In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn
argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which
it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.
Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by
developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and
high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from
its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and
a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a
preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological
disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.
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The final phase of the master plan, according to Golitsyn, is a disinformation and deception campaign of such magnitude that it would be "beyond the
imagination of Marx, or the practical reach of Lenin, and unthinkable to Stalin. Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of
false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in
Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland."
Golitsyn predicted the "breakup" of the communist bloc in Eastern Europe as a technique to be used by the Soviet government to entice Europe to move
more towards socialism and to align itself eventually with the USSR against the United States. The Third World would then join communist Russia and
socialist Western Europe against the US and its allies. Then there would be a joint drive by the Soviet bloc and a socialist Europe to push the US out
of Europe and into nuclear disarmament. A powerful world federation of communist states would emerge and the US would be induced to "converge" on
communist terms.
Excerpted from.
www.umd.umich.edu...
Of course, you are going to say the above is not true, but there are several Russian defectors who disagree with you....and by what we are seeing
Putin doing in Russia, and everything that has happened since 1984, I say that it is all true.
[edit on 29-11-2004 by Muaddib]
