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NEWS: Russian Special Forces Invade Kiev in Disguise

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posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 05:28 AM
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Sofian News Agency has brought a snippet from an interview in which Boris Tarasyuk, an envoy of the Ukrainian opposition's presidential candidate Viktor Yushtchenko, is talking about Russian special forced being deployed to Kiev.
 



www.novinite.com
Russian special forces have reportedly been deployed in the Ukrainian capital Kiev as thousands of demonstrators besieged government buildings to protest the results of the presidential election.

A 1000-strong contingent of Russian special forces have put on Ukraine uniforms upon their arrival in Ukraine, said Boris Tarasyuk, chairman of Ukraine's parliamentary European integration commission and an envoy of the Ukrainian opposition's presidential candidate Viktor Yushtchenko.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


It seems that the Russians are trying to get rid of Yushtchenko one way or the other. In my view, Russian special forces will not do any good. And probably this is a start of another civil war.




posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 10:51 AM
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Seems like Putin is longing for the good ole' days of the Cold War



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 10:52 AM
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I would like to quote the Beatles song.
"Back to the USSR."



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 10:58 AM
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Spetsnaz(sp) love this kind of thing, so I hear.

Very hard individuals.


X



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 11:37 AM
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I think you'll find the Beatles, bless their little cotton socks, said "Back in the USSR", not "back to the USSR" whilst trying to upset the Beachboys with their California girls.

And have you seen what they done to his face, Ma?

[edit on 26/11/04 by davidbowden]



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 11:43 AM
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Can't see the commie empire get back together, i really can't to be honest.



I think you'll find the Beatles, bless their little cotton socks, said "Back in the USSR", not "back to the USSR" whilst trying to upset the Beachboys with their California girls.


Agreed



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 12:13 PM
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This is the start of something much bigger than a civil war in ukraine, or the reforming of the Soviet Block under Czar Putin.

This is the end game move that the russians plotted to do over a decade ago. this is the final phase.

A Russian Defector told this true story to the CIA in 1983 ! Read On, this is all just starting to unfold.

Read ThiS ...

by Ion Mihai Pacepa, Romanian intelligence


History always repeats itself, and if you can live two lives, you have an even greater chance of seeing that repetition with your own eyes. During the last six years of my other life, as a Romanian intelligence general, the main task of the Soviet bloc espionage community was to transform Yasser Arafat’s war against Israel and its main supporter, the United States, into an armed doctrine of the whole Islamic world. America was our main enemy, and a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on it than could a mere one million. Islamic anti-Semitism ran deep. Our task was to convert its historical hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States, by portraying this land of freedom as an “imperial Zionist country” financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious “Council of the Elders of Zion,” the Kremlin’s epithet for the US Congress.

According to KGB theorists, the Islamic world was a petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hate. Islamic cultures had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology. Their illiterate, oppressed mobs could be whipped up to a fever pitch. Terrorism and violence against America would flow naturally from their religious fervor. We had only to keep repeating, over and over, that the United States was a “Zionist country” bankrolled by rich Jews. Islam was obsessed with preventing the infidel’s occupation of its territory, and it would be highly receptive to our dogma that American imperialism wanted to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom.

p080.ezboard.com...



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 02:13 PM
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If it is fact that there are special forces coming in , this would be another peice to the "Putin" puzzle. My take on this is that with the announcement he made a few days back about[" weapons no other country has yet"] maybe this is his move to reign in the westernmost part of the old USSR. I get the feeling that Putin is doing this just to let the rest of the world know that he is mad as hell and he ain't going to take it any more. It won't be long and what we refer to as NATO is no more. The E.U. has been playing into the Ruskies hand for a while without them even giving it a second thought. Maybe it is true (" Those who don't know history are condemed to repeat it") Just a thought.



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 02:13 PM
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Spetsnaz in Ukraine can't be good. Most Spetsnaz guys are trained for assasination and various ways of killing people. What they will probably do is assassinate Yushtchenko and then kill any opposition. If Spetsnaz is deployed it's impossible to protect their target. Anybody else think that this could be the start of another cold war. Heres a thread I started to do with the subject of a new cold war because of Ukraine;
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by BeLowUIdontevenknowu
This is the start of something much bigger than a civil war in ukraine, or the reforming of the Soviet Block under Czar Putin.

This is the end game move that the russians plotted to do over a decade ago. this is the final phase.

A Russian Defector told this true story to the CIA in 1983 ! Read On, this is all just starting to unfold.
............


Only one Russian military defector?....Phoenix and i have been posting about this, and what Russian military defectors have been saying, among others who are aware of what is going on.... This plan was devised by the Kremlin since the 1950s at least...

But many people prefer to believe they are in a safe world where there are no bad guys...or if there are any it is only those who the government of the U.S. creates according to them....



[edit on 26-11-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 08:17 PM
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Heres more of a twist to it ...


Journalists on Ukraine's state-owned channel - which had previously given unswerving support to Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych - have joined the opposition, saying they have had enough of "telling the government's lies".

Journalists on another strongly pro-government TV station have also promised an end to the bias in their reporting. The turnaround in news coverage, after years of toeing the government line, is a big setback for Mr Yanukovych.

Journalists in Ukraine seem to have responded to the call by opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko for them to reject government censorship.

A correspondent on the state channel, UT1, announced live on the evening bulletin that the entire news team was going to join the protests in Independence Square. She said their message to the protesters was: "We are not lying anymore".

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


BBC


Brace yourselves for some bumpy weather fellas, its all just now starting!



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 08:33 PM
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Wow! What happened to this guy? Look at the before and after pictures of the Ukrainian oposition leader.

Before and after pics



posted on Nov, 26 2004 @ 10:59 PM
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Wow~ seriously look at those before and after pics... it looks like he aged 40 years! That doesn't happen naturally in nature so i think the communists must be behind it.

The USSR is still alive and well, and winning the cold war!



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 03:31 PM
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What could have happened too him. Me thinks some Spetsnaz did it so that people wouldn't vote for the ugly canidate. Here in the US quite a few women when they can't decide who to vote for they choose the better looking canidate. That or undermine people's confidence in the idea of him living through his entire term.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:32 PM
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The USSR is still alive and well, and winning the cold war!


Yes, but it's more like 10 USSR's, winning the war
And it isn't cold, you know global warmig, and all of that, ice caps melting... Come on do you really believe this Western propaganda???



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by khruschev

Yes, but it's more like 10 USSR's, winning the war
And it isn't cold, you know global warmig, and all of that, ice caps melting... Come on do you really believe this Western propaganda???


Do you really believe that communist propaganda?....

There are many of your former comrads that were high ranking military officers who defected to the west and disagree totally with you....are they also part of the "western propaganda"?....



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Do you really believe that communist propaganda?....

There are many of your former comrads that were high ranking military officers who defected to the west and disagree totally with you....are they also part of the "western propaganda"?....


As far as I am informed


Exerpts from the Constitution of the Russian Federation proclaimed valid by all-Russian vote of December 12, 1993.



Статья 1

1. Российская Федерация - Россия есть демократическое федеративное правовое государство с республиканской формой правления.

2. Наименования Российская Федерация и Россия равнозначны.


And translation:

Act 1

1. Russia Federation - Russia is a democratic federative government with a republic-type ruling.

2. Names Russian Federation and Russia are equal.



Статья 2

Человек, его права и свободы являются высшей ценностью. Признание, соблюдение и защита прав и свобод человека и гражданина - обязанность государства.


Act 2
Man, his right and freedom are of high value. Acceptance, respecting, and protecting rights and freedoms of a man and a citizen - are responsibility of the Government.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 06:18 PM
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If you think we are still at this, we are not:

[B]Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics[/B] put in act on 7th special session of the Top Comittee of USSR on October 7th, 1977



Статья 1. Союз Советских Социалистических Республик есть
социалистическое общенародное государство, выражающее волю и
интересы рабочих, крестьян и интеллигенции, трудящихся всех наций
и народностей страны.

Статья 2. Вся власть в СССР принадлежит народу. Народ
осуществляет государственную власть через Советы народных
депутатов, составляющие политическую основу СССР.
Все другие государственные органы подконтрольны и подотчетны
Советам народных депутатов.


Translation:

Act 1. Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics is a socialist all-nation governement, expressing will and interest of workers, peasants, and the intelligence, workers of all nations, and nationalities of the country.

Act 2. All the power in USSR belogs to people. People express their power through Comittees of National Deputies, which are founding the political basis of USSR. All other governement organs, are under control, and ruled by the Committees of National Deputies.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 06:33 PM
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Saturday, 9 October, 2004, 11:16 GMT 12:16 UK
Back in the USSR?

"Welcome back to the Soviet Union!"

That was the response of one Russian journalist in Moscow recently when I asked what he thought of President Vladimir Putin's plan to abolish popular elections so he could appoint Russia's governors.


It was a typically gloomy reaction. And one that seemed to fit the mood in Russia after the Beslan tragedy.
...................
"This is a key moment. It is like 1991 all over again. This is creeping authoritarianism.

"The Kremlin is being run by 'siloviki', mostly former KGB contacts of Putin's. Putin is obsessed with the idea of Russia disintegrating.


Excerpted from.
news.bbc.co.uk...




Free Speech in Putin's Russia
Russia's Media: Back to the USSR?

By BORIS PUSTINTSEV

Director, Citizens` Watch

..........................
The absence of a law on freedom of information essentially renders meaningless the right to access information enshrined in Article 29 of the Russian Federation Constitution. With its traditional authoritarian habits, the executive branch generally has demonstrated an unwillingness to follow the spirit and the letter of the constitution. Officials who retain their old obkom arrogance have sought to obscure realities of government and in effect invalidate the citizens` rights to obtain information concerning the activities of the bureaucracy.

But the government did not limit itself to sabotaging the constitution; it strove to find a legal means of affirming its sole authority over all the information it obtains. The 1995 "Law Concerning Information, Information Provision, and Protection of Information" solidified the government monopoly. In law-based states an official has to ground his refusal to make certain information public in a legal argument, the burden is on the official. In Russia, the journalist has to prove his legal claim to obtain the information he is seeking from the official.


Excerpted from.
www.ncoic.com...

Let's see what else has Putin done for freedom of speech for the Russian people.


The head of Russia's last national independent television station has angrily blamed President Vladimir Putin for its forced closure.
The authorities pulled the plug on TV6 at midnight on Monday, abruptly ending its transmissions.


Excerpted from.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Some other links.

Press: As Free as Putin Says

[url=http://www.eng.yabloko.ru/Publ/2002/PAPERS/moscow-times-261102.html]Putin Vetoes Media Curbs By Andrei Zolotov Jr.



posted on Nov, 27 2004 @ 06:52 PM
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You mentioned article 29 of Constitution of Russian Federation.
Let's see what it says.

Constitution of Russian Federation put in act by popular voting on December 12th, 1993



Статья 29

1. Каждому гарантируется свобода мысли и слова.

2. Не допускаются пропаганда или агитация, возбуждающие социальную, расовую, национальную или религиозную ненависть и вражду. Запрещается пропаганда социального, расового, национального, религиозного или языкового превосходства.

3. Никто не может быть принужден к выражению своих мнений и убеждений или отказу от них.

4. Каждый имеет право свободно искать, получать, передавать, производить и распространять информацию любым законным способом. Перечень сведений, составляющих государственную тайну, определяется федеральным законом.

5. Гарантируется свобода массовой информации. Цензура запрещается.


Article 29

1. Everyone is guaranteed freedom of thought and speech.
2. No propaganda, or agitaion is allowed, which can cause social, racist, nationalist, or religious hatred and hostility. Propaganda of social, racist, nationalist, religious, or linguistic origin is prohibited.
3. No one can be forced to express his opinions or beliefs, or their rejection.
4. Everyone has the right to freely look for, get, pass, make, or pass around information by any legal mean. The range of facts, being part of government secret, is regulated by the federal law.
5. The freedom of mass information is guaranteed. Censorship is forbidden.


Any other articles?




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