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ArtemisE
reply to post by rickynews
I disagree about the GOP wanting voter Id to stop fraud. Like I said before it's not because there racist either..... They just know poor people vote dem.... And poor people have a harder time getting or replacing ids. It's stratagy just like the gerrymandering done after the last census. If not the wouldn't be cutting early voting days and stopping Sunday voting. That has nothing to do with IDs.
ArtemisE
reply to post by rickynews[/
I've only seen the GOP try and restrict voters. I don't think it's by some moral high ground that the dems arnt. Just the numbers game I mentioned earlier. The dems know the more people that vote the better chance they have. The GoP knows the more republicans that vote gives them a better shot.
I'm really not trying to make a false equivalency or you think I'm saying the dems arnt dirty. Just that they put there dirtyness where it will benifit them.
If you agree that there's more dems that don't vote then the GOP that doesn't vote. Then doesn't that mean that the majority of the country prefers to lean left? So for all the constitution talk. Y'all are crapping on it by not allowing the will of the people to rule.... It's the will of the voter.
ArtemisE
reply to post by rickynews
I agree when counting the voters. What if some geni made every American vote? Do the swing voters still decide the Winner?
I don't think so... To be fair it's speculation either way. No ones ever polled everyone.
But if the demographics hold true across the board. Then it's really not even close nationally.... Or I guess to clarify. It would be close ( 10 million out of the 300+ million Americans) but not at all close enough to swing either way.
That said. The rigging of the game discusts me. The Gerry meandering and voter suppression shouldn't be allowed. IMHO the GOP knows there in the minority nationally. So there pulling every string they can to stay relevant while the world changes around them. The dems playing the race card just isn't on the same level as that. I really think that kinda stuff is treasonish.
ArtemisE
reply to post by rickynews
Most of the county election boards for the swing states are held by republican majorities. Gerrymandering happened. It's well known and obvious. They split up all the black communities amongst all the rural GOP areas in too small of populations for there votes to count. It's not a secret.... Right wing radio doesn't talk about it but no secret.
It was a census year a few years back and the GOP was smart enough to plan ahead. All legal. Morally detestable, but legal.
That and all the cutting short early voting and Sunday voteing and having one or two polls for the urban centers with millions of voters. While having multiple in rural areas that vote GOP.
They target black people.. But not for racial reasons. Not because the rep. Think African Americans are inferior, but because they all vote dem.
ArtemisE
reply to post by rickynews
That's one GOP talking point that's true. Black conservatives are looked at as traitors. So that's not a fair comparison.
Common dude you strait up just " blame shifted". That's like saying I'm not racist, I have a black friend. If anything it's proof of my point that republicans arnt racist. Just pragmatists. The GOP gets called racist so often ( mostly falsely) that they try and find black talking heads to prove there not. I personally think progressive vs conservative is the new "race war "persay.
So are you going to ignore the "proof" (for lack of a better word) of voter restriction? Everything I said In my last post is varifiable. Is it ok, to you ,for them to block voters since they don't agree with your side of things?
originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: rickynews
I specifically didn't name voter ID in the list of voter suppression tactics I listed.....
The reason I buy that this is more suppression then strenthening the system is because of those. Also the GOP tried to pass if back when bush was president. To show we needed it bush told his prosecutor to go find voter fraud for proof we need it. They only found 5 cases of people casting false ballots. I could see more then 5 people being turned down because of lack of ID. More then 5 people lose there Id a day in the us I'm sure.
Now are you gonna adress the other voter suppression tactics I listed earlier? Or just glaze over them again?
originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: rickynews
As soon as I start to think your not a hack. Well played only argue half the issue. Voter ID isn't the topic either. Sure went on for pages about that..... No suprise really you can only tense that muscle for so long
Huh?
originally posted by: rickynews
ArtemisE
reply to post by rickynews
That's one GOP talking point that's true. Black conservatives are looked at as traitors. So that's not a fair comparison.
Common dude you strait up just " blame shifted". That's like saying I'm not racist, I have a black friend. If anything it's proof of my point that republicans arnt racist. Just pragmatists. The GOP gets called racist so often ( mostly falsely) that they try and find black talking heads to prove there not. I personally think progressive vs conservative is the new "race war "persay.
So are you going to ignore the "proof" (for lack of a better word) of voter restriction? Everything I said In my last post is varifiable. Is it ok, to you ,for them to block voters since they don't agree with your side of things?
Protecting U.S. voting laws is not voter restriction.
They are Not one in the same - although the Democrats want others to believe that. For example, allowing Illegal immigrants to vote is not good for the integrity of U.S. elections. Asking U.S. Citizens to provide validation that they are who they say they are, and therefore they have the legal right to vote, is plain common sense. If a would-be voter cannot validate their legal status in the United States of America, and there is No voter I.D. requirement, this assuredly opens the flood gates for people who are living here illegally, and who have No Legal Right to cast a ballot - and that is not good for the validity of U.S. elections .