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The only two options there are the gov. setting prices or raising min wage.
You can't just think lowering taxes deregulation would do it! Why would they corporations and such lower prices if they were taxed less? They already know you will pay what your paying now.
IMHO trusting the big buisness community to choose what's right over what's profitable is what's screwed us now..... Especially in our political system!
I fundamentally disagree about the poor not" wanting" too enough. The conservative side has one thing right it's about oppertunity. But that doesn't mean states competing with each other to see who will let you pay your people the least. ( right to work)
I think givin an "in your face" opportunity to just live decent about 98% of the public are on board with working. Real life jobs are out there but there aren't enough for everyone. even in a perfect world where everyone strived and found there perfect job. But right now the poor are staring at flipping burgers... Not at all an easy job. For about half what it cost to survive....and for no guarentee you'll be alright for doing it. Just the vague chance maybe it'll all work out.
Nor can you think let the regular citizens kill the worthless (which I think all agree there are. just going with the laziest of the lazy, or the socially inept, or the slightly mentally disabled. [your crazy uncle frank who can't hold down a job! :p] ) who steal because they are hungry and don't have family or friends.
That's not a real life fix.
Just because you provide the very bottom rung. doesn't mean you take away all incentive to achieve and move up. Full blown socialism would.... But as long as people can be better then others. Some will strive to do so. We've been past the tech lvl where what we should and shouldn't have to pay for should be our primary driving force.
Ps before we drop off here. It's been fun debating you amigo.
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I disagree with your assessment that givin an oppertunity most homeless and poor wouldn't work.... If that work came with a guarentee to live at just a regular lives... Plus your not offering any fix. We agree that the free market won't cut it. You because people are too stupid to care. Me for That reason and the fact some don't have the income to shop around, or pay more for the principle of it.
IMHO that's what government is for, that's what it's always been for. To provide a safe, fair as possible society. I'm not against capitalism. I'm against the way capitalism has been perverted into the greed first mentality we see now. A buisness owner should be imporoving society while making money... Not make money at the expense of society. What we both agree, I think we have now. ...... Plus just as a fact. It's capitalism that's the experiment. We did socialism for the greatest amount of human history. Obviously we've made way more progress under capitalism. But the claim that socialism has always failed is false. Native Americans lived socialist lives and did just fine till we showed up. As did every other civilization pre the Industrial Age.
Most conservatives I talk to on here are nuthing but talking points.... The only logic to there argument is " I shouldn't have to pay for that" or "that's not gov.s place ". Which are not attempts to fix any problem. To me it's a cop out. They want things to stay the same. So they come up with bs talking points to distract the sheeple. I think in most cases politicians are profiting off there inaction thru lobbyists . Dem or GOP.
Kinda like they go after unions. The concept of a workers union isn't corrupt by nature. Sure, you can point to corruption amongst union leaders. But since the GOP is in the pocket of big buisness. All unions are evil entities set on destroying America. Same with liberals or atheists. Libs don't think the GOP is evil... Just bought and paid for by greedy people. All the talking points about rich being discriminated against are nuts. The rich are nearly untouchable in our society. I don't know how they ever convinced there base of such nonsense.
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Sorry, on my phone so makes it a little harder to quote then on a desk top.
I definatly appriciate the conversation.
In my opinion the insurance companies are the real problem.