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Obamacare Enrollments Surge -- Could It Be Working? Conservatives In Panic

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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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DontTreadOnMe
We also don't know how many of the sign-ups are duplicates.
I had three sign-ups....according to .gov.

1. never completed, on the .gov exchange...took 4 weeks to get that off my "account"
2. through a private insurer, with a wrong start up date...and wrong piece of info.....still trying to get that deleted....after 2 months....and many calls covering MANY, MANY hours.
3. through a private insurer, with the correct start date...hopefully, that is the only one still alive tomorrow.

I'm sure I'm not the only one to have has this happen.
Also, never, ever got an email from .gov for my coverage.
And, every time to go to /gov to see if the info is now correct...the site is down.
Of course, I have insurance, I think.....but cannot afford to go to the doctor
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This is why I don't believe the 'official' numbers.

Since all of that websites' glitches'.

There are more than likely multiple accounts for individuals that is inflating their 'overall' number.

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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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SubTruth
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Obama care is having a hard time........Is it any wonder we see a new poster selling this? Readers ask yourself how many hot topics like health care and Crimea have new posters saying exactly what the PTB are saying.

If it walks like a duck.............You do not know who is passionate and who is payed PTB have figured out the internet is a tool just like the mainstream media for propaganda. And this OP fits the type of posters who would be pushing it.


We have to look at the upside of people like the OP. Last night I had multiple posts deleted from multile threads made by the OP for making the same observations.

The upside you ask? Yes, it forces the rest of us who are wise to what is happening with a spate of new threads by a new member, all promoting the same agenda, and never returning to continue in a debate, nor provide viable links as sources.

It's gives us the opportunity to do what they/OP didn't do. Inform people of facts, backed up with data. In a round about way, what they bring to the table as fact, is proven wrong. It creates a thread with accurate information to actually let people see the OP was only presenting a personal opinion. It may educate some people who were unaware that the propaganda they've been hearing, is just that...propaganda.

The ACA/Obamacare debacle is coming to light with each new horror story that people are experiencing in real life. You can silence a few people, but when the tide turns, you can't stifle the roar of those who finally realize how badly they were lied to.

As for those Doctors dancing for joy...read on...


The problem is that, unbeknownst to the public and the press, the AMA represents only about one fourth of the nation’s doctors.

Meanwhile, contrary to those doctors selected to legitimize ObamaCare in the staged media event (where the White House actually handed out white lab coats to generate the image of official credibility), an overwhelming 70 percent of doctors said, even back in 2011, that they disagreed with the AMA’s position on health reform, while only 13 percent agreed with it. In fact, almost half of doctors in that survey even went so far as to say that the AMA stance on ObamaCare was the factor causing them to drop AMA membership.

www.forbes.com...


Des



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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Interestingly we here in ATS beat the drum thousands of times explaining to people the hidden cost and expenses that people will be facing once the ACA was enforced, but still many would not even open their minds to understanding a frog from a fraud.

What you posted is exactly one of the examples that we discussed here many times now people are finding out exactly how affordable ACA is going to be for the productive working class, the ones that subsidies will pass them by, because they are the main target on the Obama insurance bailout.

But the good part is to come yet, when insurance starts to find out that their new by force enrollees will be defaulting on payments.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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I fully expect to see by the end of this year, someone proposing legislation that will make Doctors opting out of Obmacare, for pay as you go clinics, to be made illegal.

Then we'll really see TSHTF, as the medical field has a huge slump in new blood entering the field. What the hell is the good of forced insurance, when there will be a lack of services to take care of the insured.

Des

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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 09:32 PM
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They won't have to do that.
They are decreasing Medicare reimbursements....and that figure is used for normal reimbursements too.

The red tape and the above cuts will begin to force doctors out of business.
This according to my doctor.

Don't forget, some doctors also do not take medicaid/new medicaid patients.

And, folks like me will get care less....further decreasing doctor office income.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 09:45 PM
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How right you are DTOM. We have a tiny, one Dr. clinic up here on the mountain. They may be put out of business by Obamacare. The demand that they incorporate all the massive amounts of paperwork into their business is more than they can handle. As it stands now, his wife has done all paperwork, and some people have been treated for ailments by paying with fresh eggs chickens, whatever they could barter for office visits.

I'm sure Obamacare will not take payment in fresh produce.

So many things are going to change, and not for the better as we were told.

Des

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posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 09:55 PM
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reply to post by Skymon612
 


Lies ! All Lies ...........


www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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When the law was passed there were 30 million uninsured - today 50 million are uninsured.



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 10:29 PM
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BABYBULL24
When the law was passed there were 30 million uninsured - today 50 million are uninsured.



True. But how else could people who knew they'd never hold a job, have had everything handed to them, be guaranteed insurance paid for by the over burdened tax payers.

What a farce this is...

Des



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 11:15 PM
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DontTreadOnMe
reply to post by Destinyone
 


They won't have to do that.
They are decreasing Medicare reimbursements....and that figure is used for normal reimbursements too.

The red tape and the above cuts will begin to force doctors out of business.
This according to my doctor.

Don't forget, some doctors also do not take medicaid/new medicaid patients.

And, folks like me will get care less....further decreasing doctor office income.


Not true, Medicare just increased their reimbursements in the last two weeks (after lowering them previously for over a year).



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 11:33 PM
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Nope...don't think so...



The forecast shortage of doctors has become a real problem. It started in 2014 when the ACA cut $716 billion from Medicare to accommodate 30 million newly "insured" people through an expansion of Medicaid. More important, the predicted shortage of 42,000 primary-care physicians and that of specialists (such as heart surgeons) was vastly underestimated. It didn't take into account the ACA's effect on doctors retiring early, refusing new patients or going into concierge medicine. These estimates also ignored the millions of immigrants who would be seeking a physician after having been granted legal status.
online.wsj.com...


I know 2 Doctors who are planning on retiring early. I hate seeing this happen, get used to it.

Des



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 08:05 AM
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If it were a success, it never would have been a question whether or not they would meet their goals. Good products sell themselves. Unlike this program, they don't need the threat of a fine to coerce people to sign up. Its very likely that many of these people signed up not because they wanted to, but because they believed they had to.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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No to worry, remember that while is almost to become none profitable area of the medical profession, [physicians], is been a big influx by the tax payer generosity and student visas, of students from other countries taking a good grip within the medical and technological fields in the nation, that will have no problem filling out the positions and on going as we speak, of very soon American born that will lose their jobs or rather go into another field of work.

Here in my neck of the goods the biggest hospital and monopoly (non profit but with Cayman Islands accounts) more of half of the medical staff is from foreign countries, (barely English speaking), then you wonder where have the American born doctors have gone this days.



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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I don't know about reimbursements on Medicare and how their work but this is what Obamacare is doing to Medicare, while calling it, elimination waste and abuse and fraud or that is how cuts on seniors Medicare is been water washed for them. See now that ACA is starting to be enforced the biggest crap is about to hit everybody.


Medicare Cuts under ObamaCare Will Affect Low-Income Seniors Most,

Though Republicans are usually responsible for calls to modify or end Medicare, the Obama administration has made the first move in cutting benefits. The administration's cuts will impact the poor the most, says Joseph Antos, the Wilson H. Taylor Scholar in Health Care and Retirement Policy at the American Enterprise Institute.
•Low-income seniors will see an estimated 7 percent to 8 percent reduction in their Medicare Advantage benefits in 2014.
•As opposed to traditional Medicare, Medicare Advantage (MA) is provided by private providers and is attractive to lower-income individuals because it is less expensive.
•The reduction will occur because of the Affordable Care Act ("ObamaCare"), which is reducing Medicare benefits and raising taxes to pay for the expansion of Medicaid and subsidies in the health insurance exchanges.
•The cuts are larger than originally expected because the administration believes that Medicare spending will abruptly drop for no reason.

Private plans, averse to such a large spending cut, will likely leave markets or reduce their benefits as plans become less profitable.
•More than 14 million Medicare beneficiaries will be affected by the cuts, which will disproportionately affect low-income individuals.
•Forty-one percent of MA enrollees in 2011 had incomes of $20,000 or less and nearly 33 percent of all Medicare beneficiaries enroll in MA plans.
•Because traditional Medicare is expensive and places limits of benefits, many beneficiaries have supplemental coverage like Medigap to coverage what Medicare does not.

For many of the 6 million MA plan holders, Medicare will fundamentally change or disappear as companies respond to the 7 percent to 8 percent cuts. In 1997, the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, pushed through by a Republican Congress, included serious payment cuts to private plans in Medicare, which in just six years caused the number of participating plans to drop in half.


Perhaps Obamacare will start to sell within the Government exchanges, supplemental insurance for displaced by medicare cuts seniors.

www.ncpa.org...



posted on Apr, 2 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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I like how they have changed the subject to whether or not the law is "working" rather than whether or not it is outrageous to force people to buy things by writing penalties for not buying them into the law. Who gives a damn if it works when it's still wrong?

You could lower crime by throwing every other random person in the country prison for life if you didn't care that you had to violate people's rights in order to do it.
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