Originally posted by Corinthas
So let me get this stright... just after you said : "I will not name the denomination " you put "Lutheran" in brackets.
And if you think Lutheran Protestants are "Catholic-lite" well you need to brush up on your European Reformation, as there were actually some
theological differences between the two (Luther pinning his 96 points to the church door).
I will not identify which Lutheran synod it was. There are big differences between Lutherans these days, some are falling away from the Book Concord.
I am very familiar with the Reformation as I am Lutheran.
Big differences between Catholics and Lutherans , very true. But for one to 'attend' another's service, they are VERY similar. It is mainly the
Mary thing that separates them along with the communion rites.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Sorry Ed. There is only one end time, your own.
Maybe the planet's own in about 4 and a bit billion years, too.
This 'end time' stuff is so rife with charlatans and exploitation.
Let's assume for a moment that the Bible is absolutely complete and correct
Look this is not an argument about whether the end times are coming. I do believe that the apostles thought It was 'them' just as every generation
has since. But things are a bit different now, and the foretold events are not history as of yet. If the Prophet Isiah can prophesy Christ, then I
would think that the Spirit of God can foretell just what He needs us to know, but that is not the point of this thread.
Originally posted by TheBandit795
I have another thing to add, which is similar to what is said above. Although I don't buy the story about the possesion I will ask the following.
I am asking this question and making these statements as if the possesion was true.
Did the "possesed" person say specifically that he was Satan?? If not, then he could've been possesed by any sorts of demons or spirits (if they
are true of course). Of course the pastor may have used the name "Satan" or "devil" to cast out the spirit that was posessing the person. But just
the calling out might've gotten the spirit out. So saying that it was Satan possesing the "victim" is a leap of faith.
Furthermore saying that because Satan exists, God exists is also a leap of faith IMO. It's not a logical conclusion. That's like saying apples
exist, so therefore oranges must exist. I say this even though I believe in god (in my own way).
(1) I Do not know what the details were 'beforehand' but the Church had deemed that an exorcism was necessary. Lutherans are not known to do this,
and that in itself blew my mind.
(2)No as far as I understood it, it was not Satan himself but a lackey, mini-demon. The pastor did recognize the language though (I just thought
Aramaic). I do not know the language in which 'it' spoke. The point is there was NO way this individual could have spoken let alone read this
language and NO way this person could have know the things about the pastor that he was speaking of. Private things I guess but I have no details.
(3) Well I disagree, I guess you could use the analogy of people getting religious in the foxhole type thing.
If Satan does exist, then therefore God must also exist as God created Satan, the child of light, the most beautiful creature even made, but made
If this man was possessed or whatever term you call it, and was doing the "impossible", then it would make the case of the paranormal, and defy
Keep in mind, the whole reason this came up was the subject of mental illness. We recognize that what we refer to today as "mental case" was in
older times possession. But that does not change the fact that 'impossible' things happen and need explanation.