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reply to post by Jesuslives4u
Why do you believe there has to be a Satan?
Is God so mundane that he cannot have power without an adversary?
Why would a follower of Christ even offer a moments thought to evil?
If you devoted the energy you are giving to Satan, to Jesus, wouldn't that make Jesus stronger? At least in your heart?
Do you not believe in Satan or in an evil one with great power. One who has authority and power over mankind? I do.
My heart is full of Jesus , this does not mean I should not learn the other side? What I prefer to call "lost souls" how do you expect to convert one if you do not know who they are and what they feel?
The dark side does not scare me.
reply to post by CallmeRaskolnikov
Well that is less than benevolent then.
Why does there need to be a choice at all? If there does need to be a choice, then the God is less than omnipotent and less than benevolent.
Does God have a dark side? And if so, then how is that any different from Satan or Lucifer?
As soon as a devout Christian starts to attribute human characteristics or motivations to their Creator, then they limit that creator, and thus it is no longer omnipotent and omnipresent, OR it is no longer benevolent.
What kind of Satanism are you referring to? Satanism
Or are your perhaps talking about some made up Satanism where people LITERALLY worship evil and want the end of the world to come? Because I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who not only will admit to worshiping a church like that, but admit to being that evil.edit on 31-3-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)
yeah, that's the one!
Now, with that in mind, of course those are all Biblical references, which is fine, but with that in mind, as an uninitiated person, collecting all evidence available, assuming no preconceived notions, how do you suppose a person would choose between Christ and Lucifer?
If they made an educated decision outside of societal influence, which decision is logical or based on more data, logic, history, and personal observation?
Here are the answers to the contradictions you pointed out, according to the bible.
First off, The Bible does not support the view that God knows everything (omniscience). God puts obstacles in people's way in order to figure out what is in their hearts, which means he did not already know (Deuteronomy 8:2/2 Chronicles 32:31/Genesis 18:20-21). God also asks questions such as "who are these men with you?" (Numbers 22:9) and "where are you?" (Genesis 3:8-13).
So, if God does not know everything, then it does not contradict with free-will or how evil came into the world.
Which leads to another question, can God do anything (omnipotence)?
According to The Bible, God sent Jesus Christ because it is his Will (Plan/Wish) in order to save all the lost souls ("scattered sheep") from evil. According to The Bible, not every soul will actually be saved though, those deceived by The Devil will be thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10) in order to get rid of evil - and Death and Hell (Hades) itself will be destroyed too by the Lake of Fire which is the second death (Revelation 20:14) - the destruction of the spirit which God has power to destroy (Matthew 10:28). God's plan was for all men to have salvation, but the devil will deceive so that it doesn't actually happen (1 Timothy 2:4).
So, God is not all powerful since his will for all to be saved is being stopped by Satan's deception.
If God is keeping spirits in Hades (The Grave, The Darkness, Hell) away from him and later he will judge them and throw them into The Lake of Fire to destroy their spirits for being evil - then does God truly love everyone (omnibenevolence)?
God hates the foolish and does not want them in his presence (Psalm 5:5).
God hates those who love violence (Psalm 11:5).
God hates 6 things: lies, murder, evil intentions, troublemaking, and those who disrupt the peace to cause discord (Proverbs 6:16-19)
God hates those who do evil (Hosea 9:15)
so, the idea that The God of The Bible has omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence is debunked.
edit on 3-4-2014 by arpgme because: (no reason given)
They quoted directly from scripture, where is your issue? Is it with the conclusions drawn from that scripture?
If so, how would you respond to my earlier post about the existence of both an omnipresent, omnipotent, and omnipresent God, who is omnibenevolent while also believing in the existence of evil. Seems mutually exclusive to me, and it is one of my main issues with Christianity as a whole. If you don't like arpgme response, then what is your response?
reply to post by Rex282
At least he/she sited some sources there. And you accuse them of not knowing how to form a proper argument lol. That's the pot calling the spoon black there
The majority of people you would call "Satanists" don't believe in an actual "Satan", and the ones that are theistic Satanists, are somehow tied in with the Christian church (Outcasts, rebelling teens etc) Because really, the only people that believe in "Satan" as you do, are Christians.
Finally! Someone gets it. LaVeyan Satanism is what we call the left hand path. Christianity is the right hand path and consequently theistic Satanists are also followers of the right hand path because their entire belief system is based on Christianity and their rebellion against the Christian god whereas the LaVeyan Satanist doesn't believe in any deities except the self as that's where our true power lies. In fact, any belief in a deity is grounds for no longer being a member of the COS and we consider devil worship/theistic satanism as nothing more than a perversion of Christianity.
In the words of Anton LaVey, High Priest of the church of satan-
Satanists do not believe in the supernatural, in neither God nor the Devil. To the Satanist, he is his own God. Satan is a symbol of Man living as his prideful, carnal nature dictates. The reality behind Satan is simply the dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things. Satan is not a conscious entity to be worshiped, rather a reservoir of power inside each human to be tapped at will. Thus any concept of sacrifice is rejected as a Christian aberration—in Satanism there’s no deity to which one can sacrifice
reply to post by DeadSeraph
I could be wrong, but I don't think jews believe in satan as an evil entity, but a metaphor for the dark part of human human's hearts.