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posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by joebayside
No, we don't monitor these boards...please feel free to speak your mind.


Classic!




posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 12:32 PM
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One pointer for any government agency that is monitoring...
take notes... learn what is needed, then change the world for the better.... by realizing that people are not sheep, and we do "know more than you think".
Don't treat us like kids, treat us like mature people who can handle the truth...
we know the world sucks and that most governments have hidden agendas (most people in power do also).
We accept that people are imperfect... we just want to have more free knowledge so that crooks are not the only people watching crooks, gotta have some public oversight somewhere...

and if you have seen the aliens... let me know... i can keep a secret...



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 12:41 PM
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They prob check on the site from time to time and see whats up, but i say the less you know the better



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Who do you think pays us mods to hang out here at all hours of the night, huh?

WHAT!!!! We get payed??? Im owed some serious backpay. Im gonna call lLangley and get to the bottom of this. Somebody wake Goss RIGHT NOW


BTW: Did you know that "Gulible" is not in the dictionary?


Probably because you spelled it wrong.

m-w.com...



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:33 PM
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Im sure that they are watching, nobody is safe and nobody has privacy anymore. They are more than likely not watching us for having above top secret material on the website, but they are more than likely watching for terror attacks and such. This quote from this website:

www.silicon.com...

"The CIA is quietly funding federal research into surveillance of internet chatrooms as part of an effort to identify possible terrorists, newly released documents reveal.

So they are probably less worried about OUR sake, of posting secrecy on the site, but more concerned about electronic terrorism. We are not terrorizing, we are pondering if you say.


[edit on 12/14/04 by creamsoda]



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:45 PM
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It doesn't bother me who watches this board. The question I have yet to receive an answer for is whether or not our keystrokes or surfing is watched after we leave this board. One is less likely to give much about themselves on a discussion forum, but it is what other sites you might surf, who you e-mail, and what you write that sheds personal information.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:45 PM
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I wish they would. I sometimes wonder if all these discussions, debates, and exchanges are read by the people who often are the subject of discussion.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
It doesn't bother me who watches this board. The question I have yet to receive an answer for is whether or not our keystrokes or surfing is watched after we leave this board. One is less likely to give much about themselves on a discussion forum, but it is what other sites you might surf, who you e-mail, and what you write that sheds personal information.


I agree with that, its something i wouldnt have thought about. Becaue nowadays its really easy to trace an IP. Im sure that with the technology the government has, they are able to tap in to us un-noticable, and watch our every move. Heck, I wouldnt be suprised if they tapped into the computer and listened to the sounds of your house with your computer mics (if you have any). I also heard something about the phone keyword thing. Like if you say slurs about things you would hear this 'click click' sound.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 01:49 AM
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Of course we do. It's my job.
[NC edits....]
[Simons details deleted]

I really don't think we need to have Simons details on the board like that. Sure its public knowledge but its a matter of respect if nothing else.

How about getting over this immature idea of ATS being a govt site and move on to something more meaningful.


[edit on 15-12-2004 by Netchicken]



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 10:50 AM
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Im sure the gov. has their informants on the internet, just like they do all over the world. the question is how many do they have. what 3, 7, or how bout 250 hacking the web to see what people know. im sure they have people on ats who come in and post topic threads and see what people know about certain things. look at this article, i dont have the thread url. but i have the article


a word to the wise
For all my LJ-loving friends, this is a word of warning, a word to the wise, and a word of utter exhaustion after the wringer I've been put through in the last twenty-four hours.

A couple of weeks ago, following the last presidential debate, I said some rather inflammatory things about George W. Bush in a public post in my LJ, done in a satirical style. We laughed, we ranted, we all said some things. I thought it was a fairly harmless (and rather obvious) attempt at humor in the face of annoyance, and while a couple of people were offended, as is typical behavior from me, I saw something shiny and forgot about it, thinking that the whole thing was over and done and nothing else would come of what I said.

I was wrong.

At 9:45 last night, the Secret Service showed up on my mother's front door to talk to me about what I said about the President, as what I said could apparently be misconstrued as a threat to his life. After about ten minutes of talking to me and my family, they quickly came to the conclusion that I was not a threat to national security (mostly because we are the least threatening people in the entire world) and told me that they would not recommend that any further action be taken with my case. However, I do now have a file with the FBI that includes my photograph, my e-mail address, and the location of my LJ. This will follow me around for the rest of my life, regardless of the fact that the Secret Service knows that I am not a threat.

Obviously, I cannot link to the original LJ post that I made, because I have removed it from my LJ to protect myself and those who commented in that thread from receiving any further visits from the FBI. I apologized for the miscommunication, though I did *not* apologize for voicing my opinion of George W. Bush. I will never apologize for speaking my mind. I will, however, apologize when I say something wrong way and for unintentionally offending/threatening someone, because I am an extremely nonviolent person.

After having consulted an attorney to make sure that speaking about what happened to me will not incur another visit from the Secret Service, I am making this public post to tell you all several things:

1. Once and for all, I want to state for the record, again: I am a nonviolent person. As I told the Sekkrit Service last night, I don't know how to operate a gun. I've never had any military training. I don't even know how to throw a punch. I failed gym. I duck and cover when threatened with violence. I've said before that I could never join the military because I would totally start crying and wuss out and be the worst soldier ever, not because I want to sabotage the government, but because I'm just not cut out for it. Totally respect anyone and everyone who does, but me, personally? You don't WANT me in your army. In fact, you want me on the OTHER GUY'S team, because I will undoubtedly # things up. I'm a klutz.

2. Actually, #1 is so important that I'm repeating it again: Despite my occasional liberal ranting, I am a NONVIOLENT INDIVIDUAL. I would NEVER encourage others to harm another person, let alone the President of the United States, and I would never actually wish any serious bodily harm to come to him. I may wish other things (like I wish he would get thrown out of office in disgrace, or I wish that he would learn how to pronounce the word "nuclear", or I wish that he'd totally go ape# on television and ruin himself by saying things like "RAAAAH I JUST SNORTED A BUNCH OF COKE AND I HATE OUR COUNTRY AND I BOUGHT MY PRESIDENCY RAAAAH!!!!11"), but I would NEVER wish bodily harm on another human being. It's just not my way.

3. What happened to me CAN happen to you. This is really the main reason why I am posting this publicly. I WANT you to make an example out of me. I want you to tell your friends to be CAREFUL about what they say on the Internet, because someone IS reading it and it CAN come back and bite you on the ass. And as nice as the Sekkrit Service dudes were (and honestly, they WERE very nice - we even gave them coffee and #, and they laughed with us and were generally very cool about the entire situation), you don't want them coming to your house. It's just not very fun. Because

4. What you say on the Internet can affect your real life. Due to what I said online, I now have an FBI file. And due to certain policies that a certain administration has instituted, I could now be placed on the government's "no-fly" list, could be subject to random searches of private property without my knowledge or permission, and could be subject to wiretapping surveillance. I doubt that any of these things will happen (except with the "no-fly" list - according to my attorney, that's a strong possibility and is something we are looking into), and I could just be being paranoid, but after the Secret Service showed up on my doorstep, I think I'm entitled to a little paranoia. Because #, I never thought THAT would happen, either. So be aware.

5. What happened to me happened because someone on LJ reported me to the FBI. This is not idle speculation on my part. The Secret Service agent told me as much last night - the reason why they were there was because the FBI received a report about my post. It was not found through Google or through keyword searches. It was found through someone on LJ. This is just mind-boggling and ridiculously wanky. I have my suspicions about who may have turned me in, but I'm not going to voice them because, well, what's been done is done. That being said, for anyone else out there who wants to get snarky and report others to the FBI, I'm telling you this right now: because of what happened to me, I am now going to have an FBI file following me around for the rest of my life. This may cause future problems for me in several different aspects of my life, and that kind of damage is permanent. So, yes, I am upset by the knowledge that someone on LJ would do that to me, but it teaches a valuable (if sad) lesson: you cannot trust LiveJournal, and you cannot trust fandom.

6. Because of what happened to me, I will now have to make changes to the way I use my LJ. I have always been very open on LiveJournal. I have never locked posts unless they directly dealt with my RL, and I have never deleted comments that others have made in my LJ. However, in order to protect myself (and YOU) legally, I am going to have to start carefully monitoring comments made in my LJ. I do not think the FBI will continue to monitor this journal, but I refuse to take chances with my life. So consider this a word of warning: If you make a comment in my journal that could in any way be misconstrued as a threat against any high-ranking official, I will have to delete it. It's nothing personal. It's just self-protection.

7. In spite of what happened to me, I will not lock any political posts I make, nor will I stop making political posts. This is important. I will not allow any form of government to make me afraid of voicing my own opinion. The way that I voice my opinion will certainly be impacted by what happened, but I will not stop talking altogether. And neither should you. I don't want to discourage my friends from speaking their minds. I simply want to tell y'all that you have to be ridiculously careful about how you do it, because otherwise, you can get into trouble.

I did make a locked and filtered post last night after all this first happened, because, well, I needed to talk about it. And I want to thank everyone who commented in that thread and gave me support and WTF and information, because it was EXTREMELY helpful and comforting in a time of great stress and OMGWTFBBQ THE SEKKRIT SERVICE CAME TO MY HOUSE OMG


Now, at this juncture, I am not planning on making any kind of formal complaint with the A.C.L.U., as some on my friendslist have suggested. I did not feel that my civil rights were violated by the visit, and I did not feel intimidated by the Secret Service agents. I have, however, contacted an attorney simply because I want to ensure that my rights are protected in the future, and because the Secret Service were less than clear about what exactly can be construed as a threat and what would be done with my FBI file and any medical records they requested. I am not making any efforts to contact the media, and I doubt that I will in the future.

HOWEVER.

I want people to be aware that what they say on their LJ can cause problems for them in RL, because I love all of you and I don't wish what happened to me on you. You are more than welcome to discuss this post in your journal, and you are more than welcome to link to it from your journal. If you want to post this in a community, go for it. Hell, if you want to put me on fandom_wank, it's probably not a bad idea. The wankers would have a FIELD DAY with this. I know I would. Please, feel free to make an example out of me. So share this with your friends. Tell them what can happen. It's beneficial to all of us to know that this can happen, and hopefully, it'll prevent something like this from happening again.


sorry mods for posting whole article, i dont have the url. i think it might have been posted on ats somewhere thoug.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 11:00 AM
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Well folks...there you have it! Another example of the government butting into LJs and actually going to someone's home....this is how it starts...little by little...making people afraid to voice opinion, even in jest. If it had been me, I'd be contacting every news station, paper....all of them....loudly....but that's just me. I'm mouthy anyway. I'm really sorry this happened to you. The implications are very, very sad as to what the USA is coming to...."Freedom Of Speech" my patootie!



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 11:12 AM
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Yes, they are watching these boards. The owners know this, if they check their statistics, they will find government and military visitors. If they are not, then some moderators are doing a good job for them, in censoring some liberal and anti-war opinions. I won't be naming anyone.

[edit on 15-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 03:50 PM
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Just watch what you say, and you guys will be fine. I can track any one of you down, just as I did in my post above.

[edit on 15-12-2004 by Ken00112]



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 04:02 PM
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Yes, they are watching these boards. The owners know this, if they check their statistics, they will find government and military visitors. If they are not, then some moderators are doing a good job for them, in censoring some liberal and anti-war opinions. I won't be naming anyone.


We have many members who are either:
a) in the military
b) working for military contractors
c) in jobs requiring security clearance
d) former of the above
e) related to the above (myself, I am in this category)
f) other government
etc.

Many make no secret who they are affiliated with or work for, etc.
Most are here for the same reason you or I are...to discuss such matters with like-minded people, and perhaps stumble upon something of truth....

Just because someone is showing a mil IP, etc. doesn't mean they're spies or the man coming down on us....



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by ebolazebra
Does anyone know if the goverment monitors these boards? Has anyone ever gotten arrested for posting something "above top secret"?


Yes, they absolutely do.

Personally, I wait for them to donate to me three beautiful female sex slaves so I can keep my mouth closed, or otherwise I will expose them.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Ken00112
Just watch what you say, and you guys will be fine. I can track any one of you down, just as I did in my post above.

[edit on 15-12-2004 by Ken00112]


Any "Whois" search will turn this up. Next....

Whois.sc

[edit on 15-12-2004 by TrickmastertricK]



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by TrickmastertricK

Originally posted by Ken00112
Just watch what you say, and you guys will be fine. I can track any one of you down, just as I did in my post above.

[edit on 15-12-2004 by Ken00112]


Any "Whois" search will turn this up. Next....

Whois.sc

[edit on 15-12-2004 by TrickmastertricK]


We'll see about that.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 08:53 PM
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Actually, "they", are just like you and me. It's not like they're sinister or evil.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 11:22 PM
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No doubt they do. After being on ATS one day I just happened to look at my open connections and saw a few more than I had expected one happend to trace back to Langley, Virginia. I thought about asking ATS if it was an advertiser or something to do with them, but then I decided it doesn't really matter.

As far as using Anonymous Proxy servers as someone has suggested you have to remember if your in the information collecting biz, you just might make it easier on yourself to build a few of them servers to lure in unsuspecting prey. If you want to be anonymouse either surf from a large company on someone elses computer, go to the library & use someone elses library card or dial up with someone elses account.

It's a fact they the were using anon re-mailers in the past.

Speaking of tracing IP & such I can't get into samspade.org today, anyone else have a problem getting there?


[edit on 15-12-2004 by outsider]



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 12:01 AM
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My question posted on two different threads still has not been answered. The silence is deafening. I can therefore conclude, that CoreMetrics as is used on this site, and most likely, ATSNN itself, are both tracking the ATSNN user's computer usage after they leave here.

I would ask why, but since I cannot get an answer as to if this is being done or not, I doubt I can expect one on the latter.




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