Voter Suppression The Last Chance for Conservatives?

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posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 05:22 AM
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Now that most experts agree that the conservative movement is coming to an end due to changing demographics it is looking like the last desperate reach for power by conservatives is to attempt to supress the vote in varies states.




posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 06:10 AM
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Twenty years ago the "consensus" was that the Dems were going to die off...it didn't happen. Are you talking just about the federal level or are you including the other levels of government?



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 06:46 AM
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Any "solution" to his voter suppression deal would seem quite simple to me.
Simply get everyone who is qulified to vote registered with whatever forms of ID is required. Go to the polls and vote out those whom you do not like, those who imposed the ID laws, and put into office those who will change things back to the ways they were.
If they don't, vote them out the next time and try someone else.
This is why I do not get behind the "term limits" thing. If you don't like who is in office, vote them out.
Wake up and vote on the issues not on a candidates looks or even race.

There are more of us than there are of them. Or something like that.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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What voter suppression are you talking about?

www.theblaze.com...

Pladuim



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:22 AM
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He's talking about these:

www.brennancenter.org...

Don't forget gerrymandering. That's a trick the GOP is using too.

abcnews.go.com...

Just the last throes of a dying elephant.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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HauntWok
Don't forget gerrymandering. That's a trick the GOP is using too.

abcnews.go.com...



From your own link:



Two political scientists, Jowei Chen at the University of Michigan and Jonathan Rodden at Stanford University, are popularizing the idea that geography is more important than gerrymandering. They did a study using computer simulations to see whether the political makeup of Congress would be any different if congressional maps were drawn without partisan bias.

"In the vast majority of states, our nonpartisan simulations produced Republican seat shares that were not much different from the actual numbers in the last election," Chen and Rodden wrote in a New York Times article. "In short, the Democrats' geography problem is bigger than their gerrymandering problem."


There are other passages in your linked article stating the same thing. This is why you should read things before you link to them.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:32 AM
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Skymon612
Now that most experts agree that the conservative movement is coming to an end due to changing demographics it is looking like the last desperate reach for power by conservatives is to attempt to supress the vote in varies states.



Which experts are agreeing on this? Liberal ones? Conservative ones? Nonpartisan ones? Hard to be sure though, since you didn't provide ANY links. Last I checked the majority of the interior of the country is still DEEP red, I'm not sure how you think the conservative mindset is dying. Maybe the Republican party is becoming irrelevant, but that I can chalk up to them being the same as the Democrats on all key issues and the ones they differ on are irrelevant or isolate certain aspects of society.
edit on 31-3-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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I highly doubt the political party would be gone, but some archaic conservative ideals will disappear....as new generations emerge.

Not sure how that might affect the political side of it.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:44 AM
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Pladuim
What voter suppression are you talking about?

www.theblaze.com...

Pladuim


geez....an article written by Wayne Alan Root?.....he makes Newt Gingrich look like a liberal. Root is a raving right-wing lunatic.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:52 AM
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You trolling much this morning?

There's one small problem I can see with your little theory. This will only happen so long as the other side actually does a good job. The problem is, the Democrats are pretty damned incompetent themselves, a fact which seems to be leading them to their second major loss in the last three election cycles, and which is likely to extend conservative majorities across the country. They already hold majorities in governorships, state legislature control and the US House of Representatives. Uh oh.

Honestly, I can't see either side maintaining a long term hold on power with the idiots they have in leadership positions. People will get sick of them sooner or later.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 11:37 AM
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Skymon612
Now that most experts agree that the conservative movement is coming to an end due to changing demographics it is looking like the last desperate reach for power by conservatives is to attempt to supress the vote in varies states.



"Voter Suppression The Last Chance for Conservatives?"

what "last chance"


The majority of the population is represented by legally elected Republican members in the House of Representatives.

The majority in the House were elected in 2010 and 2012 by voter "suppression"


The "experts" might actually be seeing a last ditch attempt by Democrats and Liberals to "lose less" this November.




posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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Goteborg
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Twenty years ago the "consensus" was that the Dems were going to die off...it didn't happen. Are you talking just about the federal level or are you including the other levels of government?



Yep, after Reagan - Carter. But here we are.

Neither party will "die off." The real government always needs someone to blame for not acting in the best interests of the people. Want to disarm the American people? Blame those darn liberal Democrats. Want to cut benefits to the American people? Blame those darn conservative Republicans. Want to bail out banks during an election year? Well, just do it and have both sides say it's a good thing, whether the American people want it or not.

The two-party illusion is still too useful to abandon now.
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posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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Truth is the truth, and there's no spin on it.

I don't care where the truth leads, it goes where it goes.

The fact remains that republicans have tried this tactic. Whether or not it works isn't the issue. The issue is that it was done.

What really surprises me is that anyone would back the wealthiest people in this country when not that long ago they tried to organize a military coup against this country.

And yet, conservatives back these people unapologetically.

Small business in this country is the heart and soul of our economy. We could destroy every large business in this country, and small business would take their place, and this country would only benefit from it. Our economy would improve, our lifestyle would improve, unemployment would virtually vanish. We only would have to sacrifice large corporations.

The people are truly awakening to the madness that is what passes for this government. This is why policies like Citizens United exist. This is why the wealthy truly want to suppress the masses. The people of this nation truly have the power. The Koch brothers, the GOP, FOX News, and Citizens United want to suppress that voice.

Do you understand what is at stake here? You can't be in the right if you want to silence the voice of the people.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 08:59 PM
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It wouldn't really bother me at this stage, to hear the Grand Old Party was becoming the Grand Old Past Tense. The people running it are from another time and era, with what have come to be less and less....'sound' ideas or solutions.

My only issue would be...Voter and Ballot fraud occurs from both sides so badly at this point, one side almost has to try harder just to keep it fair at a new unfair balance. It's damn near an ingrained part of our system after the last several elections, and to be real, long before that.

My only disappointment right now would be to hear people leave the other party standing one inch higher, when they are flip sides of the same rotten, stinky wooden nickle.

Just my two carrots into the blender.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 09:05 PM
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Voting rights are under attack in this country as state legislatures nationwide pass voter suppression laws under the pretext of preventing voter fraud and safeguarding election integrity. These voter suppression laws take many forms, and collectively lead to significant burdens for eligible voters trying to exercise their most fundamental constitutional right. During the 2011 legislative sessions, states across the country passed measures to make it harder for Americans – particularly African-Americans, the elderly, students and people with disabilities – to exercise their fundamental right to cast a ballot. Over thirty states considered laws that would require voters to present government-issued photo ID in order to vote. Studies suggest that up to 11 percent of American citizens lack such ID, and would be required to navigate the administrative burdens to obtain it or forego the right to vote entirely.


Please read this article to learn more:

Remember ---nobody can name any examples of voter fraud.

www.aclu.org...



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 09:33 PM
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My only issue would be...Voter and Ballot fraud occurs from both sides so badly at this point


Voter fraud isn't really an issue. It's a made up thing. Voter registration fraud actually occurred, but that doesn't equate to actual voter fraud.

www.newyorker.com...

Of course that's just another trick that Conservatives try and throw out there, that there's some huge voter fraud scandal creating more liberal votes than there actually exist.

It's a myth. A fabrication that conservatives believe in just as much as they believe that Obama was born in Africa, is the Antichrist, is Muslim, and is combined socialist/communist/fascist.

Your going to believe in all these things anyway, no matter what anyone says, thankfully, Obama will be out of office in a couple of years and a new President will be elected, (that is of course unless your one of the hundred or so idiots who think that somehow Obama is going to usurp office and continue on as a dictator.)

If reality really dawns on you people, please let it be this. Corporations are the ones running the show in this country. They are the ones that need our scorn. They are the ones that we need to be united against. Not the two parties who just work for these corporations.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 09:47 PM
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There's loads of vote fraud...

Did You Know There are Voter Fraud Convictions and Prosecutions in 46 States?

Hmmm.


added;
How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures


Get your I.D. ready for verification !!!!
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posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 09:53 PM
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There's isolated cases, not as widespread as the conservatives would have you believe. Even your link points it out.



posted on Mar, 31 2014 @ 10:02 PM
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Voter fraud isn't really an issue. It's a made up thing. Voter registration fraud actually occurred, but that doesn't equate to actual voter fraud.


Oh Really? Keep in mind, I am very open to say the Republican side has plenty of funny business at the polls. There was, famously, the video voting machine in 2012 which..ahem..glitched for any vote outside a shockingly (rigged) small area to go to Romney. No question..both sides.

However, there is nothing fake, funny, or even mildly tolerable about voter fraud or voter suppression, in my view. I don't know anyone in real life, Republican or Democrat, who feel significantly different on that matter. I do have some examples I've collected and followed over the years tho, if it helps demonstrate how two sided the outright corruption of Democrat and Republican parties alike have become.

Mississippi NAACP leader sent to prison for 10 counts of voter fraud

The NAACP isn't exactly a bastion of Republican thinking or support. I'm guessing which way that went by headline alone.

Madison elections supervisor among 8 arrested in voting scheme

That story includes some interesting details about absentee ballots. Those things that just kinda scream Fraud-Me!, IMO.

Vote-probe arrests include councilmen

That one included a sitting city council president, not just the councilman. Ouch..

12 charged with voter fraud in Georgia election

That one included officials in the registrars office, to read deeper on it and across the stories.

Each of those are, not rumor or political Op-Ed guess work, but real cases with real criminal outcomes or pending as of the time the sources wrote them. Each of them are of the left side of the spectrum. No doubt others can show as many to the right.

That's the point. Both sides are, unfortunately, corrupted by the same thing that history shows corrupts all men. Power, Money and a lack of limits to either.

Red and Blue, in kind of a purple goo of bad.
edit on 31-3-2014 by Wrabbit2000 because: added in-line link for registrar and school board officials



posted on Apr, 1 2014 @ 07:35 AM
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HauntWok
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Truth is the truth, and there's no spin on it.

I don't care where the truth leads, it goes where it goes.

The fact remains that republicans have tried this tactic. Whether or not it works isn't the issue. The issue is that it was done.



That's one way to look at it and it's a valid point of view I guess if you're looking to hate on the GOP and give the Dems a pass. The truth is that whoever controls a state house redistricts for that state. The truth is that according to your own article the changes probably didn't result in a noticeable boost so the question is: was this Gerrymandering or was it very good and responsible redistricting?

Here's another truth, the courts and the DOJ end up looking at these districts anyway when complaints are made and whichever party is responsible for the redistricting knows that before the process even begins.





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