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Asian and Indian society were far more advanced than those in the "west" in 3200 BC....the middle eastern and European cultures gained an enormous amount of knowledge with the limited contact they had back then with the far east. it is highly arrogant to think that human advancement depended on middle eastern and European societies.edit on 30-3-2014 by jimmyx because: spell
I think this is an interesting subject that needs a closer look. For instance, what are the natural tendencies that bring us to this predicament over and over? What civilisations, or communities have designed their cultures to avoid this conflict? How can we focus on these destructive natural tendencies and try and absolve them, or use them to our benefit?
Some Native folklore warns against this very thing. Some of these same people seem to have avoided this conflict as well, but that same strength seems possibly to have been their downfall as well, because these types seem to be easily absorbed by other less friendly peoples.
There is definitely something worth learning here.
I was thinking about something similar earlier today.
3200 years ago humans were much closer to their environment. They most likely had a better understanding of their natural world. They were also much more self reliant. No electricity, most food was locally grown, folks made what they needed, community was critical. Granted, through trade,they were interdependent to a degree but not like a modern human who gets 99% of what they need off a store shelf and would have no clue how to procure the same goods if that store was to disappear.
If similar circumstances befall humanity today, it sure would not take decades for a decline. More like months.
The short version: the greater degree humans are reliant on technology they do not understand, the greater the impact of periodic social collapse like you mentioned.
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There's a guy named James Demeo that talks about desertification causing the rise of war and social classes. I'm reading a book called "the fall" by Taylor. Same concept but you can read Demeo online free. The thesis is that prior to this climate change people were egalitarian, living in advanced communities that did not have much violence. It's pretty far out of my zone so I have no clue to the veracity of these claims.
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Do you think that these "pre-fall" people were non-violent (as far as war and retribution go)? The concept of a global neolithic civilization seems to keep coming up. This is all pretty new info to me.
One has to be careful not to conflate the two major bronze age collapses, one centered in Mesopotamia in the 22nd century bc, and the later one at 1620's in the eastern med.
Both events manifest themselves as climate induced, but they are way more complicated than just that.
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Thanks. Have you read any of the authors that posit overall non-violence in Pre-Historic peoples? From what I've seen they tend to fall in "feminist" studies.
Sure, there was climate change going on in Mesopotamia c. 2200 BCE, but I've read a great number of Mesopotamian texts dealing with that era.
The people in Sumer and the Agade weren't griping about climate change; their god, Enlil, had become infuriated because the king, Naram Sin, had dared to damage Enlil's temple in Nippur. Enlil went on the rampage and ordered the "Guitian hordes" (the mountain tribes) to attack the people of Sumer and the Agade. The texts report that they burned all the orchards and fields to the ground, killed all the cattle, and destroyed all the viaducts and canals that supplied the cities with water.
That sure doesn't sound like climate change to me…
Today, the elites are not only maintaining that global warming is taking place they are inventing new taxes based on CO2 emissions, so regardless of what happens, they're gonna make some money off it. And to prove that they have truly taken our human welfare to heart, the scumbags are actively buying up the world's water rights. And I do mean everywhere!
Though climate change has had and will continue to have a huge impact on civilizations, as often as not the culprits causing the human devastation has been the elites.