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15 years since NATO aggression on Yugoslavia

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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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cosmonova

paraphi

cosmonova
NATO agression in numbers :


When you uncork the bottle and all that. Regardless of the numbers, NATOs intervention stopped Serbian aggression in its tracks. Literally. NATO did the job the UN had tasked them to do. The aggression ended and peace was imposed.

Regards

NATO had no approval by UN Security Council, once again, I do not know why are you repeating 'UN has tasked them to do'.
That is absolutely incorrect.
It was an open agression on sovereign country, the same thing happened in Iraq and Lybia.
Those are facts.
Also, how can Serbia be an aggressor on its territory, protecting its sovereignity from separatists in Kosovo?
It was the rightful thing to do.
Do you think US would let separatists inTexas to ever use force in obtaining their goals?
And to get back to main reason for NATO agression, Camp Bondsteel, strategic US base, the largest in Balkans.
'Wag the Dog 'was just standard story (read genocide, rapes,blah blah) to justify said aggression.


just like taliban supporters, nothing that is documented is true, unless it agrees with your point of view.

as others have pointed out, the UN did pass resolutions ask for NATO to intervene. there are resoluation numbers in some of the quotes.
here is the first involvemeants.



Early involvement and monitoring
NATO's first involvement in both the Bosnian War and the Yugoslav wars in general came in February 1992, when the alliance issued a statement urging all the belligerents in the conflict to allow the deployment of United Nations peacekeepers. While primarily symbolic, this statement paved the way for later NATO actions.[1] On July 10, 1992, NATO foreign ministers agreed, at a meeting in Helsinki, to assist the United Nations in monitoring compliance with sanctions established under United Nations Security Council resolutions 713 (1991) and 757 (1992). This led to the commencement of Operation Maritime Monitor off the coast of Montenegro, which was coordinated with the Western European Union Operation Sharp Vigilance in the Strait of Otranto on July 16.[2] On October 9, 1992, the Security Council passed Resolution 781, establishing a no-fly zone over Bosnia-Herzegovina. In response, on October 16, NATO expanded its mission in the area to include Operation Sky Monitor, which monitored Bosnian airspace for unauthorized flights.
NATO Intervention In Bosnia and Herzegovina


and the first combat roles,


Growing role of air power 1994 Main article:
Operation Deny Flight On February 28, 1994, the scope of NATO involvement in Bosnia increased dramatically. In an incident near Banja Luka, NATO fighters operating under Deny Flight shot down four Serb jets. This was the first combat operation in the history of NATO and opened the door for a steadily growing NATO role in Bosnia.[6] In April, the role of NATO airpower continued to grow during a Serb attack on Goražde. In response, NATO launched its first close air support mission on April 10, 1994, bombing several Serb targets at the request of UN commanders.[7] NATO launched several other limited air strikes throughout the year, acting in coordination with the United Nations.
NATO Intervention In Bosnia and Herzegovina





Srebrenica and the London Conference
In July 1995, the Bosnian Serbs launched an attack on the Bosnian town of Srebrenica, ending with the deaths of approximately 8,000 civilians in the Srebrenica massacre. After the horrifying events at Srebrenica, 16 nations met at the London Conference, beginning on July 21, 1995, to consider new options for Bosnia. As a result of the conference, UN Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali gave General Bernard Janvier, the UN military commander, the authority to request NATO airstrikes without consulting civilian UN officials, as a way to streamline the process.[8] As a result of the conference, the North Atlantic Council and the UN also agreed to use NATO air strikes in response to attacks on any of the other safe areas in Bosnia. The participants at the conference also agreed in principle to the use of large-scale NATO air strikes in response to future acts of Serb aggression.[9]NATO Intervention In Bosnia and Herzegovina

i guess you hold the same thought as slobydon did when he told The Hague that you can't find any written orders. orders can be given with out being written, but this is not the case here, there is plenty of documentation to support that UN resolutions and asking NATO to carry them out.


*SNIP*


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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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Yeah

To hell with NATO stepping in and stopping the mass genocide rape and killings of children

But you want to report the collateral damage of gunmen hiding Amongst civilians and buildings and the obvious and inevitable spoils of war



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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AngryCymraeg

cosmonova
Once again please open another topic if you want to discuss Bosnia and Croatia.
By the way, Croatia 1995, 'Oluja' ring a bell? 250,000 Serbs expelled from Croatia in 2 days.
In regards to Kosovo, ethnic cleansing has started a long before 1999, late 70' and early 80' Serbs were being expelled from Kosovo.
That is a time when Separatist movement for independent Kosovo step up.


Ah, yes, Operation Storm. What happened before that again? Oh yes, the attempt to build a Greater Serbia by expelling Croats in 1991. Of course, this is bringing up the possibility of a "But he did it first!" marathon...
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Is it just me o did you just deflect Operation Storm? Operation Storm was an ethnic cleansing operation by the Croatians by expelling Serb Christians whom had lived in Croatia for years, long before the conflict in the Balkans had started, this shows how well you know or therefore lack the understanding of the conflict.




the attempt to build a Greater Serbia


I am sure what the EU/Germany is doing in Europe is an self historical attempt to build a Greater Germany.
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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hounddoghowlie
show of hands, how many of you guys got a poster of slobydon hanging over your bed and go to sleep with the serbian national anthem playing on your ipod.

you guys are almost as bad as the taliban supporters. pfft.


Really? you comparing to Serbs and those people whom arent defending NATO as taliban supporters thats rather low. Sounds like this thread really has made some people itchy for more blood agaisnt Serbs and Russians alike, while pretending to claim they know about History.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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stopping the mass genocide rape and killings of children


According to you and some here in this thread, Serbs weren't a victim. Lets ignore themass genocide rape and killings of children that was brought agaisnt the Serbian Civilians in Bosnia and Kosovo.


I am surprised by the smear level of hatred agaisnt the Serbs and Russians shown in this thread alone without knowing the conflict. Expect for what you already seen in the news.
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:25 PM
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Agent_USA_Supporter
Is it just me o did you just deflect Operation Storm? Operation Storm was an ethnic cleansing operation by the Croatians by expelling Serb Christians whom had lived in Croatia for years, long before the conflict in the Balkans had started, this shows how well you know or therefore lack the understanding of the conflict.


I am sure what the EU/Germany is doing in Europe is an self historical attempt to build a Greater Germany.
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Yes, Operation Storm was ethnic cleansing. I'm not denying that. But it was provoked by the Serbian attempt to build a Greater Serbia in 1991. Which goes back to the Croatian atrocities of the Second World War. And so on, ad infinitum. Atrocity tends to breed atrocity. And your attempts to claim that the Serbs were the real victims in Srebrenica don't help much. Might as well claim that it was the Germans who actually carried out the Katyn Massacres.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:25 PM
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If Operation Storm wasn't an operation to drive all Christian Serbs from there own homes then i would be a monkey's uncle. Serbs that are still in Croatia remember that ethnic cleansing pretty well.


Serbs in general in Croatia are treated as Second class citizens and arent given any rights.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:26 PM
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:28 PM
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:30 PM
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 04:50 PM
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:02 PM
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ENOUGH!

Stay on topic!

Quit the incessant, petty back and forth bickering and knock off the personal jibes. Post bans will follow.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:05 PM
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Thank you, as you stated this thread is about NATO aggression agaisnt Yugoslavia.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:17 PM
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Agent_USA_Supporter
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Thank you, as you stated this thread is about NATO aggression agaisnt Yugoslavia.


Indeed. What actually caused that 'aggression' by the way?



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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15 years since NATO aggression on Yugoslavia


According to you NATO wasn't the aggressor wasn't it? this is what the thread is all about, so do try on reading the thread title before posting.

What NATO to the Serbs and Serbs in General was a War Crime.




What actually caused that 'aggression' by the way?

Do read the thread and the link that the thread op posted.
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:23 PM
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:25 PM
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Agent_USA_Supporter
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15 years since NATO aggression on Yugoslavia


According to you NATO wasn't the aggressor wasn't it? this is what the thread is all about, so do try on reading the thread title before posting.

What NATO to the Serbs and Serbs in General was a War Crime.
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The question really is "Was NATO right to intervene?" The answers on this thread, and some of them are well thought out replies, that --A. Absolutely. NATO had to Intervene. B. Isolationist policies are always best. To heck with helping people and stopping genocide. C. NATO was in the wrong and caused more damage death and suffering than it stopped. D. Somewhere in the middle. NATO should have intervened but crossed a line at some point.

My answer is A. They had to intervene, but with an acknowledgement that NATO or at least the USA crossed the line with colonialism. I think the USA has military bases in 30 other countries. That's not good.



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