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15 years since NATO aggression on Yugoslavia

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posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 11:41 PM
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cosmonova

amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.



Even if all that was true (far from that, but you have to justify your actions I suppose), why would they bombard the whole country and destroy most of the infrastructure, industry, etc? Why killing civilians in order to protect civilians?
Can you see any logic there? If there were war crimes as you are suggesting, NATO forces should focus on the parts of Yugoslavia where the war was. Have a look at this documentary first and then come to talk please.


I'm not justifying my actions, I'm not a NATO commander. I'm 100% positive that there were horrible crimes being committed and that NATO did the right thing in stopping them. But you say, "Even if all that was true." It was true. Why the doubt? NATO only intervened after two of the most brutal massacres and evidence of systematic rape. I think 50,000 rapes is one number being bandied about. Let's not forget that it was an intense civil war for years before NATO got involved.




posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 11:41 PM
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I am not a new poster just like yourself I have been very vocal against tyranny of any kind I am against the progressive movement in all it forms across the world.





So take your paintbrush and try it on someone else I have 100's of posts against unjust wars and tyranny.......I am pro freedom. If the US had invaded Crimea I would be saying the same things against them.
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posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 11:44 PM
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SubTruth

cosmonova
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no they were not, they fought for their country against NATO aggression.







I am sure you could find people that think the Nazi SS were great honest men it does not make it true. What are the odds many people say these men committed genocide and they sport insignia with skulls on it proudly.............Not good.
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please open another topic and we can talk about it.
This topic is about 15 years since NATO aggression on Yugoslavia.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 11:45 PM
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I am sorry you lost me there on your post here thats where i dont believe you anymore.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 11:49 PM
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Agent_USA_Supporter

amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.


Its ironic for a supporting NATO post gets five stars, as stated there are some NATO defenders on here. Seems like you wont debating about how the Democratic Albanians tortured Serbian civilians while they were being alive and had them thrown in a mass grave along with there own children.
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Hmm it's clear that I've done a lot more research than you. Very insulting posts from you. Not sure why you are so angry and why you are seemingly defending rape and genocide? But I'll give you a chance here. What are you actually trying to say? That because I support 1 NATO action that I'm a NATO supporter? Now it would be good to show why that is a bad thing? I see what' you've posted up there about other atrocities and war crimes but there were atrocities on all sides of the conflict, but aren't there always. in every war? But let's get back on point. You're saying that NATO intervening was bad....I'm saying it wasn't and that it helped to end that war pretty quickly, saving lives on all sides. No matter who was committing the atrocities, you think it would have been better to have that horror continue it would seem. hmmmm



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 11:50 PM
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Agent_USA_Supporter
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I am sorry you lost me there on your post here thats where i dont believe you anymore.






Were did I lose you? Was it the freedom part or the part or were I am against tyranny of any kind? It is kinda hard to argue against simple honest truth it is also very hard to spin it away.........Carry on.



Truth is subjective the facts are not.
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posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 11:53 PM
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amazing

cosmonova

amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.



Even if all that was true (far from that, but you have to justify your actions I suppose), why would they bombard the whole country and destroy most of the infrastructure, industry, etc? Why killing civilians in order to protect civilians?
Can you see any logic there? If there were war crimes as you are suggesting, NATO forces should focus on the parts of Yugoslavia where the war was. Have a look at this documentary first and then come to talk please.


I'm not justifying my actions, I'm not a NATO commander. I'm 100% positive that there were horrible crimes being committed and that NATO did the right thing in stopping them. But you say, "Even if all that was true." It was true. Why the doubt? NATO only intervened after two of the most brutal massacres and evidence of systematic rape. I think 50,000 rapes is one number being bandied about. Let's not forget that it was an intense civil war for years before NATO got involved.


I was talking about NATO not you when I said 'justify your action', my bad if it wasn't clear enough. Ask yourself if all that happened as you are saying, would not UN security council made a resolution for use of military force? Did not happen, illegal action based on lies. Same what happened in Iraq and alleged WMD.
Funny Enough, right now there is (Kosovo) the largest US military base in Balkans, Camp Bondsteel with 7000 soldiers.
Do I have to explain now that right there you have the main reason for NATO aggression?
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 12:01 AM
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cosmonova

amazing

cosmonova

amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.



Even if all that was true (far from that, but you have to justify your actions I suppose), why would they bombard the whole country and destroy most of the infrastructure, industry, etc? Why killing civilians in order to protect civilians?
Can you see any logic there? If there were war crimes as you are suggesting, NATO forces should focus on the parts of Yugoslavia where the war was. Have a look at this documentary first and then come to talk please.


I'm not justifying my actions, I'm not a NATO commander. I'm 100% positive that there were horrible crimes being committed and that NATO did the right thing in stopping them. But you say, "Even if all that was true." It was true. Why the doubt? NATO only intervened after two of the most brutal massacres and evidence of systematic rape. I think 50,000 rapes is one number being bandied about. Let's not forget that it was an intense civil war for years before NATO got involved.


I was talking about NATO not you when I said 'justify your action', my bad if it wasn't clear enough. Ask yourself if all that happened as you are saying, would not UN security council made a resolution for use of military force? Did not happened, illegal action based on lies. Same what happened in Iraq and alleged WMD.
Funny Enough, right now there is (Kosovo) the largest US military base in Balkans, Camp Bondsteel with 7000 soldiers.
Do I have to explain now that right there you have the main reason for NATO aggression?


You do have a point there with that military base in the Balkans. That's Colonialism in evidence right there. No argument from me. But I have three thoughts. I think A. the initial NATO action was right and aimed at stopping war crimes and genocide. I truly believe that. B. You can't compare IRAQ with this action. IRAQ was total Colonialism from the US for our corporate overlords. C. In Bosnia, after the conflict had ended, Whoever was in power then saw opportunity to take advantage with the Base there, but I think the initial NATO intervention was just. Much Like how Russia fought the Germans in WWII pushing them back across Germany. That was just, but then they saw the advantage of occupying, that was not just. So maybe you need to start a thread about American and NATO colonialism and having countries take their bases back from us.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 12:08 AM
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amazing

cosmonova

amazing

cosmonova

amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.



Even if all that was true (far from that, but you have to justify your actions I suppose), why would they bombard the whole country and destroy most of the infrastructure, industry, etc? Why killing civilians in order to protect civilians?
Can you see any logic there? If there were war crimes as you are suggesting, NATO forces should focus on the parts of Yugoslavia where the war was. Have a look at this documentary first and then come to talk please.


I'm not justifying my actions, I'm not a NATO commander. I'm 100% positive that there were horrible crimes being committed and that NATO did the right thing in stopping them. But you say, "Even if all that was true." It was true. Why the doubt? NATO only intervened after two of the most brutal massacres and evidence of systematic rape. I think 50,000 rapes is one number being bandied about. Let's not forget that it was an intense civil war for years before NATO got involved.


I was talking about NATO not you when I said 'justify your action', my bad if it wasn't clear enough. Ask yourself if all that happened as you are saying, would not UN security council made a resolution for use of military force? Did not happened, illegal action based on lies. Same what happened in Iraq and alleged WMD.
Funny Enough, right now there is (Kosovo) the largest US military base in Balkans, Camp Bondsteel with 7000 soldiers.
Do I have to explain now that right there you have the main reason for NATO aggression?


You do have a point there with that military base in the Balkans. That's Colonialism in evidence right there. No argument from me. But I have three thoughts. I think A. the initial NATO action was right and aimed at stopping war crimes and genocide. I truly believe that. B. You can't compare IRAQ with this action. IRAQ was total Colonialism from the US for our corporate overlords. C. In Bosnia, after the conflict had ended, Whoever was in power then saw opportunity to take advantage with the Base there, but I think the initial NATO intervention was just. Much Like how Russia fought the Germans in WWII pushing them back across Germany. That was just, but then they saw the advantage of occupying, that was not just. So maybe you need to start a thread about American and NATO colonialism and having countries take their bases back from us.


I am not opening another topic about NATO, my intention was to remind people what happened in Yugoslavia, 1999 and
results of NATO atrocities specifically.
I do respect your believes but would like to see some facts about those 50,000 rapes you are talking about. Care to provide?
Obviously you are not interested to watch documentary about NATO bombing, but please read a link to an article I posted in my original post.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 12:55 AM
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Agent_USA_Supporter
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like i told you cosmonova NATO defenders are desperate defending there failing alliance with everything they got.



lol, same thing when fat slavs defend an alliance that's been dead for 24 years...

Givin' it All You Got!




posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 01:01 AM
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You'd better be glad about Cp. Bondsteel that big old bear is growling hungry again...



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 02:09 AM
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cosmonova
www.youtube.com...


Not sure if this is appropriate forum, mods feel free to move it elsewhere.
Last week marked 15 years since NATO aggression on Yugoslavia. For 78 days, Yugoslavia has been bombarded day and night.
I would recommend everyone to see this documentary as a reminder of what happened in 1999 and the level of brutality and destruction from NATO forces on civilian objects and infrastructure.
The operation was not authorized by the United Nations and was the first time that NATO used military force without the approval of the UN Security Council and against a sovereign nation that did not pose a threat to members of the alliance.

this is also a link to great article about false justification for NATO aggression against Yugoslavia.

www.globalresearch.ca...


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I think you need to try other sources.
I did watch and read your's,,,, not to trusting!!!
And,,, as far as the U. N. goes, no one needs their blessing for anything, actually, the U. N. is Worthless and should be Dissolved and Disbanded it's a waste of money.
Balkan Witnesnn
Serbia Finds Corpes


• Use of Human Shields: Refugees claim that
Serbian forces used Kosovar Albanians to escort
military convoys and shield facilities throughout
the province. Other reporting indicates that
Serbian forces intentionally positioned ethnic
Albanians at sites they believed were targets for
NATO airstrikes.
• Detentions: Serbian forces systematically
separated military-aged men from the general
population as Kosovars were expelled. These men
were detained in facilities ranging from cement
factories to prisons. Many of these detainees
were forced to dig trenches and were physically
abused. At least 2,000 Kosovar Albanians
remain in detention in around a dozen Serbian
prisons today.
• Summary Executions:There are accounts of
summary executions at about 500 sites across
Kosovo.
• Exhumation of Mass Graves: Serbian forces
burned, destroyed, or exhumed bodies from mass
graves in an attempt to destroy evidence. Some
were reinterred in individual graves.
• Rape:There are numerous accounts indicating
that the organized and individual rape of Kosovar
Albanian women by Serbian forces was
widespread. For example, Serbian forces
systematically raped women in Djakovica and Pec,
and in some cases rounded up women and took
them to hotels where they were raped by troops
under encouragement of their commanders. Rape
is most likely an underreported atrocity because
of the stigma attached to the victims in traditional
Kosovar Albanian society.

Course.e.educational



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:21 AM
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think you need to try other sources. I did watch and read your's,,,, not to trusting!!!


Better Sources are the same sources that were in favor of the Balkan intervention by any chance? after reading your BETTER sources its pretty clear your trying to suggest.
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:22 AM
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lol, same thing when fat slavs defend an alliance that's been dead for 24 years...


Really your calling Slavic people as fat? i would rather take that as an insult on the whole Slavic people and what a ridicules statement to portray the Slavic people as fat? i think you need to visit region more often.
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posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:27 AM
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By the way about your BALKAN WITNESS source here's what it says below.




Our present focus is on countering the disinformation being spread in support of enduring Serbian denial of war crimes. This denial is propagated not only within Serbia but outside as well. See War-crimes Deniers.


According to your selected web site that site only accepts that the Serbs were the only ones responsible for the war crimes there there main focus is on countering the disinformation being spread in support of enduring Serbian denial of war crimes.


But again that site is also a part of disinformation by Albanians and Bosnian Muslims. I guess you dont know what propaganda is.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:37 AM
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cavtrooper7
You'd better be glad about Cp. Bondsteel that big old bear is growling hungry again...


Yup you better be glad about Cp. Bondsteel and all those Serb Organs, Drugs, Oil that went through it.




that big old bear is growling hungry again

At least when Russia was controlling Europe there was peace.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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NATO was deployed correctly in Yugoslavia under UN mandate and support.

Clearly, Serbs were not happy with NATOs intervention and will continue to perpetuate the myth that they were the victims and not a significant part of the problem. The crimes documented against the Serbian military and paramilitary forces are well known and undeniable. It is no wonder that that ex-Serbian leaders are regular visitors at The Hague and the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia specifically.

Regards



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 06:00 AM
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will continue to perpetuate the myth that they were the victims and not a significant part of the problem. The crimes documented against the Serbian military and paramilitary forces are well known and undeniable.


According to you and CNN, the Serbs are the ultimate enemy of America, world and they are the ultimate world problem and therefore they were never the victims.

Lets ignore there cries and screams that they have made during the wars while as they were there own people agaisnt both same two people that America supported and helped create the same way they helped create Israel.




The crimes documented against the Serbian military and paramilitary forces are well known and undeniable.

If you believe that Serbs arent the victims then you might as well be on the same side with the Syrian Rebels then.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 06:00 AM
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paraphi
NATO was deployed correctly in Yugoslavia under UN mandate and support.

Clearly, Serbs were not happy with NATOs intervention and will continue to perpetuate the myth that they were the victims and not a significant part of the problem. The crimes documented against the Serbian military and paramilitary forces are well known and undeniable. It is no wonder that that ex-Serbian leaders are regular visitors at The Hague and the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia specifically.

Regards


Seconded. Srebrenica is a stain on the soul of the Serbian people.



posted on Mar, 30 2014 @ 06:02 AM
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Ironic you have only replied now, yet i remember you from one of my Bosnian threads.



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