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cosmonova
amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.
Even if all that was true (far from that, but you have to justify your actions I suppose), why would they bombard the whole country and destroy most of the infrastructure, industry, etc? Why killing civilians in order to protect civilians?
Can you see any logic there? If there were war crimes as you are suggesting, NATO forces should focus on the parts of Yugoslavia where the war was. Have a look at this documentary first and then come to talk please.
SubTruth
cosmonova
reply to post by SubTruth
no they were not, they fought for their country against NATO aggression.
I am sure you could find people that think the Nazi SS were great honest men it does not make it true. What are the odds many people say these men committed genocide and they sport insignia with skulls on it proudly.............Not good.edit on 29-3-2014 by SubTruth because: (no reason given)
Agent_USA_Supporter
amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.
Its ironic for a supporting NATO post gets five stars, as stated there are some NATO defenders on here. Seems like you wont debating about how the Democratic Albanians tortured Serbian civilians while they were being alive and had them thrown in a mass grave along with there own children.edit on 29-3-2014 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)
Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by SubTruth
I am sorry you lost me there on your post here thats where i dont believe you anymore.
amazing
cosmonova
amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.
Even if all that was true (far from that, but you have to justify your actions I suppose), why would they bombard the whole country and destroy most of the infrastructure, industry, etc? Why killing civilians in order to protect civilians?
Can you see any logic there? If there were war crimes as you are suggesting, NATO forces should focus on the parts of Yugoslavia where the war was. Have a look at this documentary first and then come to talk please.
I'm not justifying my actions, I'm not a NATO commander. I'm 100% positive that there were horrible crimes being committed and that NATO did the right thing in stopping them. But you say, "Even if all that was true." It was true. Why the doubt? NATO only intervened after two of the most brutal massacres and evidence of systematic rape. I think 50,000 rapes is one number being bandied about. Let's not forget that it was an intense civil war for years before NATO got involved.
cosmonova
amazing
cosmonova
amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.
Even if all that was true (far from that, but you have to justify your actions I suppose), why would they bombard the whole country and destroy most of the infrastructure, industry, etc? Why killing civilians in order to protect civilians?
Can you see any logic there? If there were war crimes as you are suggesting, NATO forces should focus on the parts of Yugoslavia where the war was. Have a look at this documentary first and then come to talk please.
I'm not justifying my actions, I'm not a NATO commander. I'm 100% positive that there were horrible crimes being committed and that NATO did the right thing in stopping them. But you say, "Even if all that was true." It was true. Why the doubt? NATO only intervened after two of the most brutal massacres and evidence of systematic rape. I think 50,000 rapes is one number being bandied about. Let's not forget that it was an intense civil war for years before NATO got involved.
I was talking about NATO not you when I said 'justify your action', my bad if it wasn't clear enough. Ask yourself if all that happened as you are saying, would not UN security council made a resolution for use of military force? Did not happened, illegal action based on lies. Same what happened in Iraq and alleged WMD.
Funny Enough, right now there is (Kosovo) the largest US military base in Balkans, Camp Bondsteel with 7000 soldiers.
Do I have to explain now that right there you have the main reason for NATO aggression?
amazing
cosmonova
amazing
cosmonova
amazing
I know these things get murky and confused and we get some much propaganda that it's hard to find the truth, but having said that, It appeared that NATO was stopping the murdering of children, raping of women and sexual torture and mutilation of men all war crimes and horrible stuff, mass graves etc but you see there are way worse things than killing people and that's what NATO stopped. I think NATO did the right thing there.
Even if all that was true (far from that, but you have to justify your actions I suppose), why would they bombard the whole country and destroy most of the infrastructure, industry, etc? Why killing civilians in order to protect civilians?
Can you see any logic there? If there were war crimes as you are suggesting, NATO forces should focus on the parts of Yugoslavia where the war was. Have a look at this documentary first and then come to talk please.
I'm not justifying my actions, I'm not a NATO commander. I'm 100% positive that there were horrible crimes being committed and that NATO did the right thing in stopping them. But you say, "Even if all that was true." It was true. Why the doubt? NATO only intervened after two of the most brutal massacres and evidence of systematic rape. I think 50,000 rapes is one number being bandied about. Let's not forget that it was an intense civil war for years before NATO got involved.
I was talking about NATO not you when I said 'justify your action', my bad if it wasn't clear enough. Ask yourself if all that happened as you are saying, would not UN security council made a resolution for use of military force? Did not happened, illegal action based on lies. Same what happened in Iraq and alleged WMD.
Funny Enough, right now there is (Kosovo) the largest US military base in Balkans, Camp Bondsteel with 7000 soldiers.
Do I have to explain now that right there you have the main reason for NATO aggression?
You do have a point there with that military base in the Balkans. That's Colonialism in evidence right there. No argument from me. But I have three thoughts. I think A. the initial NATO action was right and aimed at stopping war crimes and genocide. I truly believe that. B. You can't compare IRAQ with this action. IRAQ was total Colonialism from the US for our corporate overlords. C. In Bosnia, after the conflict had ended, Whoever was in power then saw opportunity to take advantage with the Base there, but I think the initial NATO intervention was just. Much Like how Russia fought the Germans in WWII pushing them back across Germany. That was just, but then they saw the advantage of occupying, that was not just. So maybe you need to start a thread about American and NATO colonialism and having countries take their bases back from us.
Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by cosmonova
like i told you cosmonova NATO defenders are desperate defending there failing alliance with everything they got.
cosmonova
www.youtube.com...
Not sure if this is appropriate forum, mods feel free to move it elsewhere.
Last week marked 15 years since NATO aggression on Yugoslavia. For 78 days, Yugoslavia has been bombarded day and night.
I would recommend everyone to see this documentary as a reminder of what happened in 1999 and the level of brutality and destruction from NATO forces on civilian objects and infrastructure.
The operation was not authorized by the United Nations and was the first time that NATO used military force without the approval of the UN Security Council and against a sovereign nation that did not pose a threat to members of the alliance.
this is also a link to great article about false justification for NATO aggression against Yugoslavia.
www.globalresearch.ca...
edit on 29-3-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)
• Use of Human Shields: Refugees claim that
Serbian forces used Kosovar Albanians to escort
military convoys and shield facilities throughout
the province. Other reporting indicates that
Serbian forces intentionally positioned ethnic
Albanians at sites they believed were targets for
NATO airstrikes.
• Detentions: Serbian forces systematically
separated military-aged men from the general
population as Kosovars were expelled. These men
were detained in facilities ranging from cement
factories to prisons. Many of these detainees
were forced to dig trenches and were physically
abused. At least 2,000 Kosovar Albanians
remain in detention in around a dozen Serbian
prisons today.
• Summary Executions:There are accounts of
summary executions at about 500 sites across
Kosovo.
• Exhumation of Mass Graves: Serbian forces
burned, destroyed, or exhumed bodies from mass
graves in an attempt to destroy evidence. Some
were reinterred in individual graves.
• Rape:There are numerous accounts indicating
that the organized and individual rape of Kosovar
Albanian women by Serbian forces was
widespread. For example, Serbian forces
systematically raped women in Djakovica and Pec,
and in some cases rounded up women and took
them to hotels where they were raped by troops
under encouragement of their commanders. Rape
is most likely an underreported atrocity because
of the stigma attached to the victims in traditional
Kosovar Albanian society.
think you need to try other sources. I did watch and read your's,,,, not to trusting!!!
lol, same thing when fat slavs defend an alliance that's been dead for 24 years...
Our present focus is on countering the disinformation being spread in support of enduring Serbian denial of war crimes. This denial is propagated not only within Serbia but outside as well. See War-crimes Deniers.
cavtrooper7
You'd better be glad about Cp. Bondsteel that big old bear is growling hungry again...
that big old bear is growling hungry again
will continue to perpetuate the myth that they were the victims and not a significant part of the problem. The crimes documented against the Serbian military and paramilitary forces are well known and undeniable.
The crimes documented against the Serbian military and paramilitary forces are well known and undeniable.
paraphi
NATO was deployed correctly in Yugoslavia under UN mandate and support.
Clearly, Serbs were not happy with NATOs intervention and will continue to perpetuate the myth that they were the victims and not a significant part of the problem. The crimes documented against the Serbian military and paramilitary forces are well known and undeniable. It is no wonder that that ex-Serbian leaders are regular visitors at The Hague and the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia specifically.
Regards