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reply to post by Maigret
You're wrong. Yahweh was pronounced. We just don't know how it was pronounced because ancient Hebrew at that time did not support vowel marks. Jehovah is simply the Anglicized version of what could have been, Yahweh. I've heard a lot of people make the argument you're making about YHVH not being pronounced; by that argument, no word in ancient Hebrew would be pronounced because no ancient Hebrew word had vowel points.
ETA: I had to edit. I had syllables on the brain.
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reply to post by Maigret
I'm not claiming that anybody knows how the names were originally pronounced. It's a, shall we say, mystery.
The righteous cry, and the LORD hears And delivers them out of all their troubles. The LORD is near to the brokenhearted And saves those who are crushed in spirit.…
If I were you, I would have reminded them that ''Jehovah'' is derived from ''Yahweh''...which in turn was reconstructed from ''YHWH'', who's actual pronounciation has been lost.
@gardener ... I flipped over the cover and read one of the first paragraphs that said God wants to be called Jehovah out loud to them, verbatim. I then questioned them: God really WANTS to be called Jehovah?
It is considered the holiest name of all, so much that there are prohibitions against speaking it or writing it in full.
reply to post by LittleByLittle
When I attended a course for sign language the JW's were there in full force learning sign to come and convert the deaf.
They were polite and friendly, inviting people on the course to their homes for coffee mornings etc. The question of only 144,000 are allowed to go to heaven was raised and they smiled, nodding enthusiastically but when asked which of their numbers would be included in the 144,000 had not reply.
I must admit I now just throw up my hands in horror when confronted by the multitudes of God Botherers because they all claim to have some kind of hot-line to God, are his best mate and know exactlt what he demands. The gap between knowing one is God and these God's Butlers gets wider each day for me.
I will add something that is probably not a popular belief but whenever I meet a religious person, they seem to me to have had their empathic link to humanity destroyed, especially the hardliners and you often hear the twiddle - "My wife is lost to me because she turned away from God'. For me its more likely she got fed up with you and your pompous and judgemental outlook on life and especially her. - mind you she might have gone off, possibly or not though, with someone else so she could enjoy life and not suffer life.
reply to post by TiedDestructor
There are parts of the King James that say, "My name is the LORD." First of all, Lord is not a name. That list that somebody presented on the first page of this thread is a list of mostly titles, not names. Adonai and Elohim are not names. Adonai simply means Lord, and Elohim simply means God, plural, supposedly to denote majesty. Jehovah or Yahweh, whatever you want to call him, is God's name as given in the Bible. I'm not stating my beliefs, I'm simply showing what the Bible says. Those times when the Bible says, my name is the LORD, it's pretty obvious that it's supposed to say an actual name, not Lord.
Apparently I am blessed to live just a few houses next-door to the Kingdom Hall
I hate to just ignore people as I walk past them on the sidewalk. So, the 2 elderly, afro-american looking women hollered 'Good afternoon, young man' I replied good day, ladies and turned to them and before you know it they were handin me the Watchtower and Awake.
I grew up with JWs in the family and being given the New World Translation and the Book of Bible Stories, and etc. Being interfaith, and non-denominational, I am open minded and heed intuition that one ought not join sects.
Anyways, I flipped over the cover and read one of the first paragraphs that said God wants to be called Jehovah out loud to them, verbatim. I then questioned them: God really WANTS to be called Jehovah?
Just to throw this in there, Yeshua is Jesus actual name. That is the name He was given at the request of the angel of the Lord. It means He Saves and in the context of the verse it all makes sense. Matthew 1:21: "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins" He was a jew after all.
Also, the tetragrammaton is the basis for both Y-hweh and Jehovah. It is considered the holiest name of all, so much that there are prohibitions against speaking it or writing it in full. Most just use Adonai.
But probably most relevant, is the name He attributes to Himself while speaking with Moses on the mountain. Eysher Asher Ehyeh or I Am or He Who Is. It is one of the most profound moments in scripture.
reply to post by chr0naut
A little research shows that the name Jehovah is NOT one that God chose for Himself. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
According to Wikipedia there is disagreement among scholars