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We're Losing Our Military Edge Over China. Here's How to Get It Back.

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posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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nwtrucker
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Are you still partying from Friday night? That's the most contradictory post I've seen this year. LOL. Just saying.....


How so?

I stated that America has made every single one of people part of the National guard but giving everyone guns and do base their economy off of war.

In the words of the OP 'Prove me wrong'.


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posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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Well, if "everyone profits" except the taxpayer, and most pay taxes, how does everyone "profit"?

The gun-owners profit via freedom of choice to own, but they pay taxes?

Your giving me a headache. LOL.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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nwtrucker
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Well, if "everyone profits" except the taxpayer, and most pay taxes, how does everyone "profit"?


That was the pun lol


My point was that only the rich (who don't pay taxes, or just pay very very little and avoid the majority) seem to profit from it... I can be a vague sometimes.
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posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 12:42 PM
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..otherwise we go broke.


The US is already broke...there is no "going"...it is already there. The debt stands at 17 + TRILLION and is growing by almost 3 TRILLION a year...with unfunded liabilities, that number is so astronomical that it doesn't even bear mentioning...this debt can never be repaid. If interest rates even go up by 2%...you are done, finished....flat ass busted. Nobody is lending you any more money...rampant monetization will be your undoing.

Weimar Republic anyone?



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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As a U.S. citizen, America doesn't appear broke to me.
You do know where the majority of America's debt sits, right? Hint: It's not China.
China is second, and will never be repaid. XD sorry China, if you're listening.
No, the majority of US debt lies in unpaid and upcoming Social Security of it's aging citizens.



The U.S. is just fine, and can't wait to
the #$%^ out of your country!! /sarcasm



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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I'm not arguing your point. It is correct. However, all the military powers are in the same boat. So in one sense, it's negated as a factor from a one vs one sense. a collapsed U.S. economy kills China's as well, if not the whole world's.

I refer to maintaining a "super-power" level military with the mind-warping R&D costs. Those slip-streaming behind have a fraction of the cost just "staying close" to the super-power.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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As a U.S. citizen, America doesn't appear broke to me.


Then you aren't paying attention.

DEBT is NOT wealth. It is a massive liability that will kill whats left of your shattered economy.

Simple math.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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nwtrucker
A collapsed U.S. economy kills China's as well, if not the whole world's.

A collapse of the US economy will cause a fairly severe recession, possible even a depression, but not a collapse of the Chinese economy.

A collapse of the Chinese economy will cause a collapse of the US, EU, and most of the West.

This would be reversed (for the current and near future) if the Renmimbi was the reserve and the USD was not.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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I read a report late last year from a political think tank, one paragraph gave me hope, wherein it stated that China crewed its best submarine with its best sailors, it put to sea, and sank.
According to the think tank, all the military designs are copies from Russian hardware, I don't have quite the same sources as the think tank, so, for now, I will take their word for the above.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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Here's how you get your edge back.


Distribute small travel size tubs of vaseline to all american citizens.

Put your head back in the sand with your ass in the air, and just wait for the Chinese and accept the pounding you're going to receive.

The vaseline will help take the sting off. \



Get over yourselves, there is a major power shift happening. The Soviets were able to step down just fine, and didn't get taken over neither will you. The US doesn't own the world, nor do we want to be owned by the US.

Move over chihuahua(US) a new pitbull is on the block.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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I have to disagree with you on one point. If the U.S. economy collapses, the Euro-zone is toast as it's backed by the IMF which is ultimately U.S. Dollar backed-there's a joke- and as China's economy is export based and hugely over-extended, a contraction of exports devastates their economy as much or worse than the U.S./Euro's.

It context of military application, economic factors are a wash-M.A.D. rules.....



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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iRoyalty
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Here is a list of Nations without a military

Countires without an armed force

When was the last time you heard of their women and children being blown to pieces?

Also Iceland have no standing army, they have no need to spread death to other nations.
They simply want to protect their lands from nations that do want to murder others *cough* US *cough*.
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Did you look at that list? Most of those countries are either under the protection of the United States or a US ally. And Iceland is in NATO and while it is to small to maintain and Army it's ciitzens serve in Norways Army according to treaty.

As for the OP. China has a very long way to go before it could challenge its region much less the US. What is interesting to watch is as things cool between China and Russia, Russia is courting India as a counter. You want an idea of a likely future conflict? Try China and Pakistan vs Russia and India on for size.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 01:57 PM
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Interesting, I've seen indications that if there's one area of China being close to the top, technologically, it's in conventional sub technology. I see that more as a regional threat than a direct U.S. threat, but I could be wrong on that one.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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one of the simplest way to maintain our edge. would be for the U.S. and it's allies to design flawed technology,play it up a bit. put it behind heavy but hackable security, just enough to make the chinese military wont to hack it and let them waste all kinds of time and money building useless sh@@. most of their stuff is modified designs and systems they stole or copied. pretty soon they would build their own.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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Ok. headache is now gone.

Although, It's Corporations that have tax outs, not the "Rich". If one has so much money that they aren't involved in corporate investments and therefore capital gains, then it's just interest paid on their accounts...or the income tax on "salaries" drawn from "foundations".

Those benefiting from the Corporate outs include 401K, the gov't via Union pension funds...on and on. They're not going away any time soon.....



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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deadcalm



As a U.S. citizen, America doesn't appear broke to me.


Then you aren't paying attention.

DEBT is NOT wealth. It is a massive liability that will kill whats left of your shattered economy.

Simple math.


Sigh. What do you think money is? It's debt. It's a promise to pay. A dollar bill is nothing, it's the promise behind it which gives it wealth. The whole world is in debt, and no matter how bad you might want it, the U.S. will not tank unless the international money lenders (the FED and beyond) decide to let it happen. Rise above the fear mongering for your own sake.

Simple Economics.



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posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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It's a promise to pay.


I was in business for more than 30 years...I understand very well what a fiat currency is...but thank you for the clarification nontheless. It still doesn't invalidate my statement that debt is not wealth...nor is a promise to pay...if you can't pay it. Confidence has already been lost in the US dollar....a trend that will only grow as your economy limps along.

As to this statement above...was it not you that just stated...and i QUOTE..




China is second, and will never be repaid. XD sorry China, if you're listening.


Seems we have a contradiction here....a promise to pay...but it will never be repaid?

Which is it?




The whole world is in debt


While this statement is true...nobody comes close to the US in terms of debt load....and it's only getting worse.




Rise above the fear mongering for your own sake.


Reality can be a tough task master.




Simple Economics.


Not simple enough it would seem if you think that massive debt loads don't matter.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 03:22 PM
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I'm not going to reply to most of your comments, because you are right. But I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to say: America will not collapse under debt, and while America has the most debt, it does not have the most debt per capita.

So, in other words, America does NOT have the highest debt by capita ratio. Or even debt-to-GDP ratio. Even the UK has more debt than the US!!! Sorry to break it to you.

en.wikipedia.org...
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>< Ouch looks like things are rapidly declining in Tonga...

books.google.com... X&ei=sTM3U9DkJ4XIsAT8voCwAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Tonga%20debt%202014&f=false
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posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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"There is no substitute for a militant freedom. The only alternative is submission and slavery." -Calvin Coolidge



"Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." – George Washington

Yes, just waste billions more on "defense." To what end though? All pointless.



posted on Mar, 29 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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Why do we need military dominance over the whole globe? Do you think we're in danger of being invaded or something? - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...


I have being asking the same question for 15 years now why does America need a military dominance over the whole globe? for what purpose?



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