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If you want more, I recommend google as a search engine..mostly because of the algorithm
Wow ...I never dun seed a surcz enjun befurr Just an FYI, no need to be snarky. You made the claim, the onus is upon you to provide backing citation. It's not my job to verify your data for you.
all former military are potential terrorists and that the vast majority of us are beyond pissed at the treatment we receive from the military, the govt and especially the VA.
You're assuming its only a minority of people who are unhappy with the direction the US government is going the past few decades. I don't disagree with you though that if it were a small minority that they would be seen as anti government nuts particularly compounded if it were done with no due evidence of fraud or misdeed by the elected officials. I'm certainly not for every redneck getting in their pickup truck, loading in the 12 gauge blaring some Skynyrd as they go around shootin' stuff up. The crux of my point was that its insane to think that an under trained, inferior force couldn't hold off a well trained standing army. The Iraqi's and the Taliban have proven this to be so over the past decade.
BB guns huh? I'm only asking so I can better understand your replies but, are you American and are you a gun owner or do you own firearms? Personally, I love shooting. But please keep me as far away from an Ayn Rand utopia as possible!!! No thank you bob! As for McVeigh... My response would be somewhat different depending on whether you believe the OS or believe oin one of the many conspiracies surrounding Tim and the OKC bombing.
You have to either fix it or reboot it.
Just figured it was sort of mainstream news obvious. ATS generally speaking knows what has happened statistically, so I am used to people basically ignoring facts and going with feels when they speak against the facts...used to not ignorance verses refusal of facts leading the argument...my apologies for the google jab.
Perhaps, I am however not bringing emotional considerations into the factoring of who would win in a fight. a rebel milita verses the combined strength of the united armed forces...if you were in the military, you know full well the toys they have at their disposal...even if it was a million to 1 in favor of the milita, it would still be a heavily lopsided fight.
Just going with facts on the ground. Fact is, breaking up a army is easy. military excels at winning every battle with minimal effort. technology trumps numbers. lesson from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Where the military fails is in holding anything..but they wouldn't be required to hold the states..its already held..no occupation needed. Propaganda against the defeated armies would be at 100%..every neighbor and joe would see the defeated militia as people simply trying to kill their government because they hate freedom or whatever...and the government would actually gain far more control over the people through "safety" calling by the citizens.
A large number of people are unhappy with the direction of the government, but where there is unification in that philosophy, that is also where the divide is. Some are screaming we need to go far more to the left, others scream far more to the right. At best, it would be (yet another) civil war.
Unacceptable. Differences of opinions is fought in polls. That is the point of this republic to begin with.
Agreed with both the its broken already stance, and this one.
But again, if you are being intellectually honest, you know full well any violent force would absolutely fail..not even a fraction of a percent chance of its success.
What is then needed is a group of mind warriors..internet is a wonderful thing that can bring around changes...getting the right people in place can fix a lot of things..and that is where todays militia really should be focused...the war is in the mind now and on the net...talks of armed rebellion only makes the "side" the militia on seem like a bunch of lunatics.
Ohh I thought we got rid of this clown Piers Morgan for good years ago, I just hope he doen't return to England, can't you Aussies take him in.
Russia's restarting the band,your populace will be under threat soon....
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people with sound judgement are right to question Americas psychopathic obsession with guns.
but as long as its your people reaping what you sow at schools, theaters and malls.. then who are we too stop you!
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I would think, do to your thinking process, you need to live and work in a solid Democrat Controlled State.
New York that state consistently votes Democrat in every election.
New York is a huge "Union" state. Nearly all of the states services are unionized. Fire dept, police, social services, hospitals, sanitation and teachers. Union leaders always tell their union members to vote Democrat. The unions spend millions of dollars of their members union dues to campaign for the Democrat running for office.
They have a huge population of minorities there in New York (black, Hispanic, etc) which are known for being very supportive of the Democrat party.
New York has a major population of Liberals and people in the "arts" (acting, artist, musicians etc.) which consistently votes Democrat Party.
You know Liberal's, they are open minded and very loving and giving and never want to intrude on your rights!!!!
I am for more restrictions, especially for fully automatic rifles.
The audacity to come to OUR country and impose his gun grabbing fascist ideology on a free people with the constituted right bestowed upon us by our fore fathers against the very tyranny he projects.